RFK Jr. Says He Would Sign ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban if it Reached His Desk

[acptulsa]

I like RFK better than most democrats and republicans, but It's a line in the sand for me. Not that my vote will mathematically make a difference but yeah, I would choose him over Biden if that makes you happy.

I remember voting for Ron Paul the last two times (did the same in '88). Then I didn't vote for the assholes that beat him in the primaries. We did good things talking our asses off to people who didn't want to hear.

Here I am doing the same for a Kennedy. I can change my registration to the Dreaded Dee for now.

 

[RJB]

I'm not one to tell others what to say, so if I may throw out a suggestion:

When I speak to Democrats, there ain't no way in hell I'm telling them I'm a right-wing extremist, certainly not an AnCap. Instead, I ask them:

1. "Hey, did you hear RFK speak? Would you like the link? He sounds much more intelligent than Biden does, and he doesn't support private/public ventures like Trump does. He said some very interesting things about "regulatory capture" that affects all of us, maybe you'd like to hear him talk about that?"

2. "He also said that he has hard data on vaccines that nobody is willing to talk about, and that the pharm complex has been known to break the laws and has billions of dollars of settlements."

3. "He also said that while we must take care of our planet, he believes companies who dump millions of gallons of toxic paint into our drinking water should pay the tab and not us tax-payers! And if they persist, they should go to jail!"

4. "And then RFK was talking about Climate Change, and he said that there is a difference between that and Climate Engineering which the tax-payers shouldn't be paying for because it is much more dangerous. And he also believes God knows how to take care of the planet better than the government and corporations."


Those are just some examples of how I reach Democrats. Basically, the same ideals that we as libertarians have.

Yeah, I have had those same conversation at least back to Kucinich and Ron Paul. I do respect honesty in a politician, even if I disagree. From what I see, RFK seems to mean what he says. I like that about him. We'll see what the future holds.

 

[nobody's_hero]

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]. No one is picking apart RFK, Jr half or even a quarter as badly as you et. al. have picked apart Trump for the last 7 years, maybe with the exception of Swordsmith who we can all assume probably is not a fan.

For the record, I really want RFK, Jr. to win the democrat nomination (and there's no sarcasm there at all). If I lived in a blue state I'd definitely cross over and help however I could. But I'm gonna have my own hands full keeping neocon turds from rising to the top of the GOP primary in my state, so I wish Kennedy well.

You have an active thread picking apart Ramaswamy's 'record'. You even bumped it immediately to make sure everyone knows that Ramaswamy is not perfect. Let there be no doubt that the man is flawed or whatever.


I dunno man, just an observation over the years that you seem a much harsher judge of republicans than democrats. Perhaps that's how we all should be since republicans often don't live up to their platforms and stated promises, but that would leave basically no one. I'm not even sure if we narrowed it down to no one that eventually people wouldn't start finding fault with the nothing that remains. We're known to be quite . . . choosy. (probably why no one ever bothers pandering to the libertarians because they're going to find any reason to not vote for you if given the slightest opportunity, y'all know it's true)

That's why you won't see me jumping all over RFK, Jr. I think he has some really good ideas, and he's said some goofy things in the past. He's the best of a bad bunch with a shot at winning the democrat nomination. Basically exactly how Texan described him in many fewer words.

However, if I say that about RFK, Jr., you'd probably agree that's reasonable. Justifiable. Practical.

But if I say something similar about Trump. Even anyone even hints at it? This is the usual response of RPF:

I mean, just feels a bit . . . double standard. We're supposed to give democrats the benefit of the doubt (which RFK,Jr should get, for reasons you already stated, democrats need to be woken up and no, it can't be done overnight). But no credit at all should be given to Trump for going on stage in 2016 and pile-driving Jeb Bush into the debate stage floor, simultaneously shaking many 'hawkish' conservative voters over their delusional and unquestioning support for our military involvement in the M.E. Many of whom now probably would not opposed to the Ukraine fiasco today if not being introduced to the concept of non-interventionism, which was made mainstream, believe it or not, by the great cheeto. *ducks and covers from yet another flame for even suggesting there was any benefit to a Trump presidency*

 

[PAF]

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]. No one is picking apart RFK, Jr half or even a quarter as badly as you et. al. have picked apart Trump for the last 7 years, maybe with the exception of Swordsmith who we can all assume probably is not a fan.

If you look back 7 years, I had Trump On the Record right from the get go before he even held office. I knew his position on Eminent Domain, and his crony doings as a businessman, for starters.

For the record, I really want RFK, Jr. to win the democrat nomination (and there's no sarcasm there at all).

You have an active thread picking apart Ramaswamy's 'record'.

Same deal as Trump, Swamy is an opportunist. I have also had it up-to-here with BioTech folks obtaining government positions. Thank Trump, Gates, Fauci, et al for that.

I dunno man, just an observation over the years that you seem a much harsher judge of republicans than democrats. Perhaps that's how we all should be since republicans often don't live up to their platforms and stated promises, but that would leave basically no one. I'm not even sure if we narrowed it down to no one that eventually people wouldn't start finding fault with the nothing that remains. We're known to be quite . . . choosy.

You hit the nail-on-the-head. I have little to hold democrats accountable for, but being the Republican Party is supposed to hold to my values at least at the platform level, you're damned right I'm going to call them out each and every time they stray.

That's why you won't see me jumping all over RFK, Jr. I think he has some really good ideas, and he's said some goofy things in the past. He's the best of a bad bunch with a shot at winning the democrat nomination.

However, if I say that about RFK, Jr., you'd probably agree that's reasonable. Justifiable. Practical.

We are here to debate all issues, pros and cons. RFK may turn out to be something different if he ever were to hold office. But I spoke to the guy face to face (along with Ron Paul, Tom Massie and others), and I had a chance to vet him so to speak, which is why I support him. As I stated earlier, there is no way any Democrat is going to listen to Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell and others to even understand what we are about. So far, RFK is speaking to the Dems on a level they can understand about many of the important issues we as libertarians embrace.

But if I say something similar about Trump. Even anyone even hints at it? This is the usual response of RPF:

Trump's entire pathetic record speaks for itself. He also funded the same globalists RFK has been battling.



PS: Look at the On the Record - Trump sold/supplied military stuff to Ukraine starting in 2017. He speaks one way and does something else with the pen. IMO, he primed the GD pump for Joe. Just like with OWS.

 

[nobody's_hero]

you're damned right I'm going to call them out each and every time they stray.

The problem is not so much that. The problem is that you don't give them credit when they get something right. I don't think you can. It's like you see it as a form of weakness, being able to clap for someone else, once in a while. And if anyone else bothers to 'call a spade a spade' (which Ron Paul has done several times when no one else would), you get incredibly (unreasonably) defensive. 'They've sold out.' 'Supporters of the lesser of two evils.' etc. etc.

 

[69360]

I'm not surprised. He is a democrat. Those of you are looking for a candidate who agrees with you on every issue are always going to be disapointed. I think RFK jr says a lot of good things. DeSantis is getting my vote but I don't agree with him 100%.

 

[Anti Federalist]

[MENTION=962]RJB[/MENTION] , [MENTION=16095]nobody's_hero[/MENTION] , [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION], [MENTION=6780]Cleaner44[/MENTION] , still can't understand that one cannot convert Democrats in one quick speech or over the course of a quick couple of days or weeks

You mean the same way the "gun lobby" walked back gun regulations over the course of decades?

 

[nobody's_hero]

I'm not surprised. He is a democrat. Those of you are looking for a candidate who agrees with you on every issue are always going to be disapointed. I think RFK jr says a lot of good things. DeSantis is getting my vote but I don't agree with him 100%.

But just for the sake of argument, if you had to see a democrat in office, would RFK, Jr. be the one you'd prefer?

 

[PAF]

The problem is not so much that. The problem is that you don't give them credit when they get something right. I don't think you can.

You are actually correct in saying that. I worked the entire campaign for Ron Paul from the very local all the way up to National Convention. Once I saw first hand how it's really played, I no longer had any more faith in the corporate system that we are under. No amount of voting will ever change that, unless somehow this government is completely wiped out and started fresh again [only to repeat like it has since eons ago]. I have also grown since then to understand where true liberty comes from, and it is not from governments. I do at times vote local, if/when it can make a positive difference, but even that is pretty much useless, at least in the area that I am in. To reiterate once again, politics was/is and never will be the answer, both sides are collective and communist in one form or another.

It's like you see it as a form of weakness, being able to clap for someone else, once in a while. And if anyone else bothers to 'call a spade a spade' (which Ron Paul has done several times when no one else would), you get incredibly (unreasonably) defensive. 'They've sold out.' 'Supporters of the lesser of two evils.' etc. etc.

I don't subscribe to lessers of evil. At all. As long as a government is involved, it always yields in negative consequences. I don't expect others to understand what I mean by that, nobody was able to explain it to me until I realized it on my own. My goal is to maybe possibly help some Democrats along the way, using RFK as a vehicle and a starting point, much like what happened to me, so that once the liberty bug bites, they will continue their own journey to self-realization.

 

[Anti Federalist]

[MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION]. No one is picking apart RFK, Jr half or even a quarter as badly as you et. al. have picked apart Trump for the last 7 years, maybe with the exception of Swordsmith who we can all assume probably is not a fan.

For the record, I really want RFK, Jr. to win the democrat nomination (and there's no sarcasm there at all). If I lived in a blue state I'd definitely cross over and help however I could. But I'm gonna have my own hands full keeping neocon turds from rising to the top of the GOP primary in my state, so I wish Kennedy well.

You have an active thread picking apart Ramaswamy's 'record'. You even bumped it immediately to make sure everyone knows that Ramaswamy is not perfect. Let there be no doubt that the man is flawed or whatever.


I dunno man, just an observation over the years that you seem a much harsher judge of republicans than democrats. Perhaps that's how we all should be since republicans often don't live up to their platforms and stated promises, but that would leave basically no one. I'm not even sure if we narrowed it down to no one that eventually people wouldn't start finding fault with the nothing that remains. We're known to be quite . . . choosy. (probably why no one ever bothers pandering to the libertarians because they're going to find any reason to not vote for you if given the slightest opportunity, y'all know it's true)

That's why you won't see me jumping all over RFK, Jr. I think he has some really good ideas, and he's said some goofy things in the past. He's the best of a bad bunch with a shot at winning the democrat nomination. Basically exactly how Texan described him in many fewer words.

However, if I say that about RFK, Jr., you'd probably agree that's reasonable. Justifiable. Practical.

But if I say something similar about Trump. Even anyone even hints at it? This is the usual response of RPF:

I mean, just feels a bit . . . double standard. We're supposed to give democrats the benefit of the doubt (which RFK,Jr should get, for reasons you already stated, democrats need to be woken up and no, it can't be done overnight). But no credit at all should be given to Trump for going on stage in 2016 and pile-driving Jeb Bush into the debate stage floor, simultaneously shaking many 'hawkish' conservative voters over their delusional and unquestioning support for our military involvement in the M.E. Many of whom now probably would not opposed to the Ukraine fiasco today if not being introduced to the concept of non-interventionism, which was made mainstream, believe it or not, by the great cheeto. *ducks and covers from yet another flame for even suggesting there was any benefit to a Trump presidency*

+rep

 

[nobody's_hero]

You are actually correct in saying that. I worked the entire campaign for Ron Paul from the very local all the up to National Convention. Once I saw first hand how it's really played, I no longer had any more faith in the corporate system that we are under. No amount of voting will ever change that, unless somehow this government is completely wiped out and started fresh again [only to repeat like it has since eons ago]. I have also grown since then to understand where true liberty comes from, and it is not from governments. I do at times vote local, if/when it can make a positive difference, but even that is pretty much useless, at least in the area that I am in. To reiterate once again, politics was/is and never will be the answer, both sides are collective and communist in one form or another.




I don't subscribe to lessers of evil. At all. As long as a government is involved, it always yields in negative consequences. I don't expect others to understand what I mean by that, nobody was able to explain it to me until I realized it on my own. My goal is to maybe possibly help some Democrats along the way, using RFK as a vehicle and a starting point, much like what happened to me, so that once the liberty bug bites, they will continue their own journey to self-realization.

And RFK,Jr may very well be the one to do that. Lord knows if there's any democrat lemmings that haven't followed the Clintons off the cliff, they'd certainly be useful in the broader fight, so by all means let RFK,Jr. get their attention.

But . . . Trump did the same thing. The. same. thing.. It may not have been exactly how you or anyone else would've preferred it to happen. But I would call ending Jeb Bush's political career in a 30-second response on stage, a good "vehicle and a starting point." (besides Ron of course)

In other words RFK is horrible from a policy perspective but speaks about issues that noone else will.

Kind of reminds me of someone. Someone orange.

 

[acptulsa]

The problem is not so much that. The problem is that you don't give them credit when they get something right. I don't think you can. It's like you see it as a form of weakness, being able to clap for someone else, once in a while. And if anyone else bothers to 'call a spade a spade' (which Ron Paul has done several times when no one else would), you get incredibly (unreasonably) defensive. 'They've sold out.' 'Supporters of the lesser of two evils.' etc. etc.

Business as usual has landed us in the situation where the captain is a senile old codger of a tool in the hands of insane people who are steering the United States of America straight for an iceburg. Apparently they're all fans of Milton. They'd rather make the world hell so they can succeed in ruling it than serve in heaven. Time to mutiny for realz. Trump didn't mutiny for realz when he had the chance.

That's what giving credit where due every time we get thrown a bone has gotten us.

I would think you of all people would understand that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result.

Hope we get a seat on the lifeboat, my fellow white cis male shitlord, but I'm not counting on it.

I never once believed Trump was serious about draining the swamp, I said so from the beginning, and I say I told you so now. This son of a man and nephew of a man and first cousin of a man who were assassinated by the CIA I believe might be serious about tackling that damned swamp. How many more chances are we going to get?

 

[PAF]

I'm not surprised. He is a democrat. Those of you are looking for a candidate who agrees with you on every issue are always going to be disapointed. I think RFK jr says a lot of good things. DeSantis is getting my vote but I don't agree with him 100%.

Wow, you've got low standards. I don't agree with that "R" on at least 90% of the issues. Have you even seen his Record?

 

[PAF]

And RFK,Jr may very well be the one to do that. Lord knows if there's any democrat lemmings that haven't followed the Clintons off the cliff, they'd certainly be useful in the broader fight, so by all means let RFK,Jr. get their attention.

But . . . Trump did the same thing. The. same. thing.. It may not have been exactly how you or anyone else would've preferred it to happen. But I would call ending Jeb Bush's political career in a 30-second response on stage, a good "vehicle and a starting point." (besides Ron of course)

The big difference is that RFK researched and studied how they operate and prosecuted corporate polluters, and is fully aware of the captive agencies, which directly addresses lobbyists in government. Trump OTOH, bought his way using politicians, and when he got into to office, gave tax money to the corporate special interests. It was during that time that the wealthiest increased their wealth by billions on the tax payer dime.

So, it was not the same thing.

 

[acptulsa]

The big difference is

The big difference? The big difference? And what if I say that the big difference was that RFKJr. was warning our loved ones to turn down that damned jab (if only all of them had ears to hear), while Trump was financing it, bragging about it, and destined to keep promoting it for years? Is that the big difference, or just one of them?

So, it was not the same thing.

It was not the same thing.

 

[PAF]

The big difference? The big difference? And what if I say that the big difference was that RFKJr. was warning our loved ones to turn down that damned jab (if only all of them had ears to hear), while Trump was financing it, bragging about it, and destined to keep promoting it for years? Is that the big difference, or just one of them?

It was not the same thing.

++++ REP

I also remember somebody named Bloody Gina being nominated by Trump. RFK, I highly doubt, would even consider that, let alone doing that.

 

[acptulsa]

I don't think they can afford to kill another Kennedy. They do, and [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] I think you might be surprised to hear, "Yeth, it thertainly isssss time, big boy. 'Cause the only thing I like better than thucking dick is kicking assssss. Let'th make these Kennedy killers pay!"

Camelot still has that kind of cachet. And though it's a real pity about his voice, I think this Kennedy measures up.

 

[nobody's_hero]

How many more chances are we going to get?

Probably not many, which is one reason I don't vehemently attack Kennedy the same way that Trump has been skewered the last 7 years.

But you guys have your work cut out for you. Been to two Trump rallies in my life and I can promise you that the lowest IQ voter in the crowd has more general awareness of what we're up against than any Berkley coffee-shop democrat. Maybe RFK, Jr can change that. Wish him the best and *will be clapping for him when he's right*.

It's really that simple. But for folks who run around here saying it's a shame how we let them divide us, it must be really hard to see.

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[acptulsa]

You beat me to that one.