RevPAC - Urgent: $350K by Monday to Win!

[Barrex]

The strong and just among us will survive this.

To win elections you need weak ones too.

Weak vote is counted same as strong one.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The truth will come out about this and I think a number of people should, at least, be ashamed of themselves for starting to hang our own without so much as lifting a finger to find out the facts.

 

[Deborah K]

To win elections you need weak ones too.

Weak vote is counted same as strong one.

You're taking my point out of context. I'm talking about the fact that there are haters and infiltrators that are trying to destroy our movement.

 

[parocks]

That doesn't mean anything. You have no idea what the money was spent on. Almost everything that isn't directly tied to a media buy is considered an administrative expense. Sometimes big donors give money with strings attached about how it can be spent. When that cash is a significant portion of the total, the numbers get skewed.


It seems like you only show up when it's time to troll Rev PAC and grassroots projects. C4L pay you for that?

And there are already umpteen threads about this. Why did you bump this old one? Gee, who does that remind me of?

I don't know who does it. Usually, it's when someone is right. Collins?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't know who does it. Usually, it's when someone is right. Collins?

All we have so far are accusations.

 

[parocks]

All we have so far are accusations.

I'm not delving into the finer details beyond the percentages. I see there are random people accusing Woods of this or that. I'm not doing that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm not delving into the finer details beyond the percentages. I see there are random people accusing Woods of this or that. I'm not doing that.

What it is coming off as is kicking a dog when they are down. It's really not appealing.

 

[parocks]

What it is coming off as is kicking a dog when they are down. It's really not appealing.

Oh, it may very well be not appealing to some. I like it as a mechanism for accountability.

 

[New York For Paul]

One could just look at the FEC reports and read how the money was spent.

 

[Rocco]

Agreed, I'm usually with LE on most things but I gotta disagree here. We are talking about a group that burned a LOT of people on those Ron Paul dolls they were selling. A group who's main impact (apart from The Compassion of Ron Paul) was being labeled by the national media as 'Ron Paul's 9/11 Truther PAC'. A group who shamelessly attacked Rand Paul, one of liberty's greatest defenders. To me this was the last straw.

Oh, it may very well be not appealing to some. I like it as a mechanism for accountability.

 

[Deborah K]

Agreed, I'm usually with LE on most things but I gotta disagree here. We are talking about a group that burned a LOT of people on those Ron Paul dolls they were selling. A group who's main impact (apart from The Compassion of Ron Paul) was being labeled by the national media as 'Ron Paul's 9/11 Truther PAC'. A group who shamelessly attacked Rand Paul, one of liberty's greatest defenders. To me this was the last straw.

The dolls are shipped from the manufacturer according, to Gary. People who ordered the dolls need to take it up with the manufacturer. And how is the labeling from the media RevPac's fault? Was it Ron's fault when the media labeled him an isolationist, conspiracy nut? And like it or not, Rand's endorsement caused a rift in the movement that we have to contend with. It's not reason enough to trash someone just because you don't like their stance on something. You have to ask yourself, why are these articles targeting a little-known PAC like RevPac? I think it's because someone put them up to it.

 

[Deborah K]

Here's Gary's response btw:




And Tom's response is here: http://www.tomwoods.com/

 

[jcannon98188]

Agreed, I'm usually with LE on most things but I gotta disagree here. We are talking about a group that burned a LOT of people on those Ron Paul dolls they were selling. A group who's main impact (apart from The Compassion of Ron Paul) was being labeled by the national media as 'Ron Paul's 9/11 Truther PAC'. A group who shamelessly attacked Rand Paul, one of liberty's greatest defenders. To me this was the last straw.

RevPac ad's is what finally convinced me to support Ron Paul. I in turn, was able to teach a few of my friends, and my family, about Ron Paul. Had I not seen those RevPac videos, I would not have woken up, and would still be a statist, probably blaming you lot for the election. That alone is worth it in my book.

 

[dinosaur]

Here's Gary's response btw:

What a perplexing video. A simple word document with the numbers would have sufficed, but I suppose that we will have to wait for that until they get to the bottom of those in-kind donations and independent expenditures.

From the FEC website: Independent expenditures are expenditures for communications “expressly advocating the election or defeat of a clearly identified candidate that are not made in cooperation, consultation, or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate, a candidate’s authorized committee, or their agents, or a political party or its agents.”

 

[staerker]

Things will change when people stop donating money, and start doing things.

 

[New York For Paul]

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/candcmte_info.shtml

From: 07/01/2011 To: 11/26/2012 ?
I. RECEIPTS
Itemized Individual Contributions $926,616
Unitemized Individual Contributions $309,771
Total Individual Contributions $1,236,387
Party Committees Contributions $0
Other Committees Contributions $0
TOTAL CONTRIBUTIONS $1,236,387
Transfers from Affiliated Committees $0
Loans Received $0
Loan Repayments Received $0
Offsets to Operating Expenditures $13,344
Refunds $0
Other Receipts $1
Non-Federal Transfers $0
Levin Funds $0
Total Transfers $0
Total Federal Receipts $1,249,734
TOTAL RECEIPTS $1,249,734
II. DISBURSEMENTS
Allocated Operating Expenditures - Federal $0
Allocated Operating Expenditures - Non-Federal $0
Other Federal Operating Expenditures $1,060,169
TOTAL OPERATING EXPENDITURES $1,060,169
Transfers To Affiliated Committees $0
Contributions to Committees $0
Independent Expenditures $172,520
Coordinated Party Expenditures $0
Loans Made $0
Loan Repayments Made $100
Individual Refunds $1,075
Political Party Refunds $0
Other Committee Refunds $0
TOTAL CONTRIBUTION REFUNDS $1,075
Other Disbursements $0
Allocated Federal Election Activity - Federal Share $0
Allocated Federal Election Activity - Levin Share $0
Federal Election Activity - Federal Only $0
TOTAL FEDERAL ELECTION ACTIVITY $0
Total Federal Disbursements $1,233,864
TOTAL DISBURSEMENTS $1,233,864
III. CASH SUMMARY
Beginning Cash On Hand $0
Ending Cash On Hand -$63,140
Net Contributions $1,235,312
Net Operating Expenditures $1,046,825
Debts/Loans Owed By $0
Debts/Loans Owed To $0

Receipts
Unitemized IndividualContributionsItemized IndividualContributionsOffsets to OperatingExpendituresOther24.8%74.1%
Disbursements
IndependentExpendituresOther Federal OperatingExpendituresOther14%85.9%

 

[Deborah K]

What a perplexing video. A simple word document with the numbers would have sufficed, but I suppose that we will have to wait for that until they get to the bottom of those in-kind donations and independent expenditures.

From the FEC website: Independent expenditures are expenditures for communications “expressly advocating the election or defeat of a clearly identified candidate that are not made in cooperation, consultation, or concert with, or at the request or suggestion of, a candidate, a candidate’s authorized committee, or their agents, or a political party or its agents.”

In the video he cites that definition you quote from the FEC.....and he explains the bigger in-kind donations. I'm not clear on what exactly is perplexing you.

 

[dinosaur]

In the video he cites that definition you quote from the FEC.....and he explains the bigger in-kind donations. I'm not clear on what exactly is perplexing you.

I thought that he said that they were getting to the bottom of the in-kind donations in the video. What were they? How much of the total contributions? If they were a large chunk of the contributions, then that 14% number would go up. My best guess at the moment is that the primary election night coverage actually ate up a bit of their budget and didn't qualify as an independent expenditure. But that is just a guess at this point. I guess I'll have to watch it again to make sure I didn't miss where they explained all that.

 

[Deborah K]

I thought that he said that they were getting to the bottom of the in-kind donations in the video. What were they? How much of the total contributions? If they were a large chunk of the contributions, then that 14% number would go up. My best guess at the moment is that the primary election night coverage actually ate up a bit of their budget and didn't qualify as an independent expenditure. But that is just a guess at this point.

Not sure about that, but he talks in the video about Thiel's contributions and a pro-libertarian studio contributing in-kind, as two examples.

 

[dinosaur]

I did miss where he listed the in-kind donations. Theil 150K for google ads and a TV station for 250,000. That accounts for 400K of the 1.2 million then?