Revolution PAC to air TV programing and commercials in Florida

[sailingaway]

Full disclosure, I volunteer for Revolution PAC making their grassroots videos. I agree with the initial thought that this is a "bad idea." But the full story---I may not be
able to fully reveal...but let's just say that someone wanted to make sure that lots of time was available. So we have so much time - that, frankly it had to be filled quickly with material. Everything will be peppered with our own ads, which I believe are unparalleled. See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhxJ1XUGLR0

and

what about getting in touch with Avaroth and 3Liberty -- although actually, you'd need different background music, wouldn't you... clearances...

What about running some Mises stuff, just in that slot? One of Ron's speeches there, if they would clear it?

 

[lordindra3]

You guys have to understand that even though Florida is a waste of money and time, it is REALLY huge for momentum. Honestly, a 3rd place win in FL is better than a 3rd in South Carolina (and yet we got 4th! Ouch...)... If we take 3rd in FL, its BYE BYE Santorum... Why is this guy even in the race? He should know he has absolutely no chance in hell. Everybody knows Ron is a different animal than any other candidate in history and that passionate voters can make him win, but Santorum is a Mr.DryVonVanillaman politician as conventional as it comes and his votes are transferable and if he does face Obama, he would get his ASS handed to him, just like Gingrich, but honestly worse.... Thats my two cents... All in all, I support it, as long as it doesnt hurt our chances in other states. All I know is that a 3rd place in FL will put us in the spot light, media wise...

 

[Peace&Freedom]

I have to get back to work so I can't look into it any further... but is there any truth to the claim that the 16th amendment was never properly ratified?

It's complicated, courtesy of politicians and bureaucrats. The Supreme Court ruled it did not actually add a new form of taxation to the country, just clarified the nature of how it was applied. Yet the 16th has a "case closed" perception aura attached to it regarding the legitimacy of the tax, thus serves propaganda purposes for the tax gestapo. An inadequate number of states appear to have passed the amendment, but it was reported to Congress that the requisite number had, thereby causing it to be added to the Constitution anyway.

Anybody disputing the issue is told to take it to the courts, and the courts in turn kick it back saying it's "a political matter" that should be taken up with Congress. Bill Benson and others have researched and collected copies of the actual certified public records of the state debates, proving beyond question from the official record that not enough states ratified the amendment. But a court prevented Benson from admitting such public record evidence, to prove the point. Couple this with the fact that courts frequently decline to even publish court rulings that side with the tax honesty side, and one can see the corruption of the system when it comes to tax issues.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Thank God for Aaron Russo, though you could say I'm biased (disclosure, as NY Chair, I endorsed him for the LP nomination for President, from the podium of the LP '04 convention). His documentary still stands up today, despite tired accusations of inaccuracies that don't stand up to scrutiny. A lot of people here do not recognize how the tax honesty movement and the 9-11 truth movement both sacrificed their own momentum as movements in 2007 to get behind building the Paul movement in its beginning months. It's worse that many of them are ungrateful to boot, demeaning and belittling these groups to this day, or accusing them of "hijacking Paul to suit their own agenda," when the truth is the movements sacrificed their agenda to support Paul's. Three cheers for the FL PAC for reprising and honoring the heritage of the modern liberty movement!

Geez and all this time, I thought the goal of the RevPac was to help get RP elected; not to pay homage to any side movement. I guess I learn something new every day.

 

[pastore1215]

waste of money in a state that we are not even competitive in...

stupid...stupid....stupid

 

[TheTexan]

Anybody disputing the issue is told to take it to the courts, and the courts in turn kick it back saying it's "a political matter" that should be taken up with Congress. Bill Benson and others have researched and collected copies of the actual certified public records of the state debates, proving beyond question from the official record that not enough states ratified the amendment. But a court prevented Benson from admitting such public record evidence, to prove the point. Couple this with the fact that courts frequently decline to even publish court rulings that side with the tax honesty side, and one can see the corruption of the system when it comes to tax issues.

I really, really don't think we want a supreme court case on this. From the article posted in this thread, the "not properly ratified" argument hinges upon whether or not a state can ratify a constitution if it disregards its own state's constitution in doing so. Our government is so entrenched on this issue, and so reliant, the courts would be forced to rule in favor of the 16th. This decision would have far reaching consequences imo, more than just the 16th.

But if the courts say it's up to the politicians, that basically means RP would have the authority to repeal the 16th based on that argument. This would be the better route imo. In fact, I think the merits of RP promising to end the 16th should be discussed - whether it would help, or hurt his chances at the nomination.

 

[randomname]

This was discussed in another thread on Jan 22: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?354176-Supporter-TV-Station-In-South-Florida

Yes this is happening. The station owner is a supporter and is donating the airtime. We provided him with some "programming"

 

[Diashi]

This sounds like an expensive way to make us not look like such underdogs in that state.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Geez and all this time, I thought the goal of the RevPac was to help get RP elected; not to pay homage to any side movement. I guess I learn something new every day.

A PAC can also support compatible major liberty causes like tax honesty. Once again, not a 'side' movement, but a direct precusor to the Paul campaign, that supplied early money, energy and support to Paul, that Paul was friendly towards. Can we at least learn something from him, and be at least as friendly toward it as Paul himself?

 

[musicmax]

If Newt or Romney's PAC did anything like this, there would be some major restructuring in the leadership..

Indeed, Newt asked that his SuperPAC either fix or pull "King Of Bain".

 

[musicmax]

Thank God for Aaron Russo, though you could say I'm biased (disclosure, as NY Chair, I endorsed him for the LP nomination for President, from the podium of the LP '04 convention). His documentary still stands up today, despite tired accusations of inaccuracies that don't stand up to scrutiny. A lot of people here do not recognize how the tax honesty movement and the 9-11 truth movement both sacrificed their own momentum as movements in 2007 to get behind building the Paul movement in its beginning months. It's worse that many of them are ungrateful to boot, demeaning and belittling these groups to this day, or accusing them of "hijacking Paul to suit their own agenda," when the truth is the movements sacrificed their agenda to support Paul's. Three cheers for the FL PAC for reprising and honoring the heritage of the modern liberty movement!

The troofers and the tax kooks are the people who got us banished to "fringe" status in '08 and it has taken four years to extricate ourselves from that position. There are 10,000 reasons to vote for Ron Paul and other liberty candidates without getting into trooferism or worshiping Irwin Schiff. You'll have to forgive me for not "thanking" you for "sacrificing your momentum". Gag.

 

[musicmax]

Geez and all this time, I thought the goal of the RevPac was to help get RP elected; not to pay homage to any side movement. I guess I learn something new every day.

I agree. I find it highly inappropriate to take money donated to a Ron Paul PAC and use it to promote F2F.

 

[musicmax]

Full disclosure, I volunteer for Revolution PAC making their grassroots videos.

When is RevPAC's "strong national defense" video coming out?

 

[eleganz]

If they could convince FL to give Ron more than 18%...I would say the money was effectively used.

Momentum matters...especially going into Nevada.

 

[sunsense]

Yes. Momentum does matter. A credible result, even Third, gives supporters a lift and keeps him in the news. Something I posted on another thread, but its worth repeating.

Pity we can't get it over here in the TampaBay area.

For people who don't know, the TampaBay metropolitan area has a population of 4,228,855 (18th in the country in 2,008).

Miami metro is 5,547,051 (5th in the country).

That is 9.8 million out of a state population of 19 million.

Yes, advertizing in just Two metro areas covers half the Florida population. Nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

The troofers and the tax kooks are the people who got us banished to "fringe" status in '08 and it has taken four years to extricate ourselves from that position. There are 10,000 reasons to vote for Ron Paul and other liberty candidates without getting into trooferism or worshiping Irwin Schiff. You'll have to forgive me for not "thanking" you for "sacrificing your momentum". Gag.

No, the tax honesty and truther advocates shut up while Paul went silent on those issues in 2008, and won ZERO primaries as a result of alienating much of the liberty movement---after which, those two movements were scapegoated for that defeat by posters such as yourself. Not trying to forment a fight here, but the revisionist history you summarized runs contrary to the facts, and the derisive attitude is opposite of the unity and mutual respect Paul supports across the whole movement.

 

[Salvial]

A lot of this thread is highly disapointing in tone.

 

[TheTexan]

A lot of this thread is highly disapointing in tone.

I learned in this thread that the 16th amendment was never ratified, made my day!

(I still haven't fact checked the articles... but if someone has, and there's evidence that this is just another 'tax kook' thing [no offense to the tax kooks], please let me know)

 

[LibertyEagle]

A PAC can also support compatible major liberty causes like tax honesty. Once again, not a 'side' movement, but a direct precusor to the Paul campaign, that supplied early money, energy and support to Paul, that Paul was friendly towards. Can we at least learn something from him, and be at least as friendly toward it as Paul himself?

In the middle of a political campaign? HELL NO.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I agree. I find it highly inappropriate to take money donated to a Ron Paul PAC and use it to promote F2F.

That doesn't appear to be what they did. Please see this post: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...s-in-Florida&p=4110937&viewfull=1#post4110937