Revenge porn

[juleswin]

that is because you retained TITLE


Models that allow naked pictures of themselves to be taken by friends, boyfriends, partners, employers etc., who expect to retain some rights to the images, sign a contract.

Not necessarily, I think the difference is that I was dealing with a normal human being with a little bid of common sense in areas of relationship etiquette who knew that there were condition albeit implied ones that came along with me exchanging the property. He knew very well that I wouldn't have exchanged the property if I knew he was going to destroy it, sell it for parts, or rent it out to other users and that I didn't have to stipulate every single thing that is permitted to him and just like the boyfriend knew that the girl did not expect him to photoshop the naked pic and use it for craiglist advertisement when she gave him the picture.

He most likely knew that he was in the wrong but just did it anyway because he was a butthurt, asshole jerk. Also, I simply refuse to go along with this push to write out our personal lives do's and dont's in contracts.

 

[donnay]

Sounds like some people need to grow up. Revenge porn is one of the most childish, immature things, ever.

I think that is an understatement. This sounds like high school high jinks. "Stupid is as stupid does."

 

[dannno]

Statistics aside, what about this are you guys not understanding? I agree that it's pretty stupid to have naked pictures of yourself available in the first place so that after a break-up, something like this can happen...but the fact that these pictures are available doesn't make it OK to post them online for the world to see when the woman only intended to give them to her boyfriend. That would be like saying it's OK for someone to take everything in your house just because you forgot to lock your front door this morning. You did a stupid thing, but it doesn't make it OK that they stole all your stuff!

Does that logic apply to photos taken of you with friends in bikinis? Skimpy clothes at the club? Any photo taken of you? Or just ones that "cross "the" line"?

Consent forms to post group pictures on facebook?

 

[cajuncocoa]

You're missing that these women GAVE AWAY their privacy. If you don't want someone else to POSSESS a naked picture of you... then don't give it to them.



I have a contractual relationship with the TSA that involves specific rights to those images when I buy a ticket.

I already said it was stupid, incredibly stupid, for these women to give naked pics of themselves to their boyfriends.

Sounds like some people need to grow up. Revenge porn is one of the most childish, immature things, ever.

Indeed.

I'll go along with this....

Courts however are not the venue to force people to grow up....

But it is a venue to make a statement in the current climate. I don't like the idea of running to the State for help either, but until people act responsibly (see: need to grow up) we will never get out from under the State's thumb.

I think that is an understatement. This sounds like high school high jinks. "Stupid is as stupid does."

Indeed.

 

[presence]

Not necessarily

no... necessarily... if you sign title to the other person... and give them possession it's their car. end of story.

if you don't sign title over a you give them possession.... its their car until a) they give it back b) it is litigated as a civil issue, until c) you notify the individual in writing and report it stolen, at which point the law will impound it and return it to you AT YOUR EXPENSE.

however, if you're in possession of property you don't own (title) and you sell it... that's is a crime; see: breach of fiduciary relationship; intent to deprive; embezzlement; theft by deception



If a woman had naked photos of herself that were in possession of another party, and she wanted them back, the correct thing to do would be to notify the individual in question IN WRITING and then report the images STOLEN before they were made public. That is; assert an ownership right, prior to the property becoming public.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Does that logic apply to photos taken of you with friends in bikinis? Skimpy clothes at the club? Any photo taken of you? Or just ones that "cross "the" line"?

Consent forms to post group pictures on facebook?

It might apply to those as well, but I might not care as much. I might care, however, if I was photographed in a place I was not supposed to be. (Of course, that would never happen to me anyway...I'm where I should be all the time.)

 

[dannno]

It might apply to those as well, but I might not care as much. I might care, however, if I was photographed in a place I was not supposed to be. (Of course, that would never happen to me anyway...I'm where I should be all the time.)

But if you did care, it would be illegal?

 

[tod evans]

But it is a venue to make a statement in the current climate. I don't like the idea of running to the State for help either, but until people act responsibly (see: need to grow up) we will never get out from under the State's thumb.

There is no excuse I'll accept to empower government, absolutely none.

I don't even want government involved in murder investigations.

This goes back to a few things I keep typing;

Everything government gets involved in it fucks up.

And

Justice will not be found in their courts...

 

[juleswin]

no... necessarily... if you sign title to the other person... and give them possession it's their car. end of story.

if you don't sign title over a you give them possession.... its their car until a) they give it back b) it is litigated as a civil issue, until c) you notify the individual in writing and report it stolen, at which point the law will impound it and return it to you AT YOUR EXPENSE.

however, if you're in possession of property you don't own (title) and you sell it... that's is a crime; see: breach of fiduciary relationship; intent to deprive; embezzlement; theft by deception



If a woman had naked photos of herself that were in possession of another party, and she wanted them back, the correct thing to do would be to notify the individual in question IN WRITING and then report the images STOLEN before they were made public.

Lets just delve into the car scenario a bit more. Ok, he did not sell it, instead he started working on the transmission even though he is not a mechanic of any kind. By your reasoning of lack of contract specifically telling him not to work on the transmission, I am shit out of luck?

Maybe I am too old school but I think there is an implied contract not to release naked pics of each other exchanged by two people in a relationship where neither one is a model or photographer. Or maybe society is changing to the point where everything about anything has to be implicitly written out in a contract form or it is permitted during such an exchange

 

[Schifference]

What if an artist with a photographic memory notices a beautiful woman walking down the streets and then paints a naked portrait and displays it for sale in a local gallery?

 

[cajuncocoa]

There is no excuse I'll accept to empower government, absolutely none.

I don't even want government involved in murder investigations.

This goes back to a few things I keep typing;

Everything government gets involved in it fucks up.

And

Justice will not be found in their courts...

I'm just going to throw this out here for your consideration....I don't want government involved either. But if we expect to sell that to the masses, we have to behave responsibly. Just because we CAN do something doesn't mean we SHOULD. If we don't behave responsibly, Boobus is going to see our actions as reason to protect himself from us...and use the government goons against us. It's just common sense. That's why the NAP is so important to this.

 

[Schifference]

I'm just going to throw this out here for your consideration....I don't want government involved either. But if we expect to sell that to the masses, we have to behave responsibly. Just because we CAN do something doesn't mean we SHOULD. If we don't behave responsibly, Boobus is going to see our actions as reason to protect himself from us...and use the government goons against us. It's just common sense. That's why the NAP is so important to this.

Exactly who defines "behave responsibly?"

 

[106459]

Indeed.

likewise...

Posing for naked pictures and getting upset when other people see them is one of the most childish, immature things, ever.

Really? So sharing intimate pictures in an intimate relationship has no reasonable expectation of privacy?

Spreading nude photos of an ex-girlfriend on every public forum as far as the eye can see is obviously malicious. If you weren’t doing it before the breakup, and you’re suddenly doing it now, you’re obviously trying to harm the other person. It’s very clear that the act is ethically wrong. The whole purpose of laws is to make ethical wrong-doings that harm other people a legally prosecutable crime.
In the real world, making intimate photos public has real world consequences for people. In the case of celebrities, that tarnished public persona could end endorsements, etc, that equate to lost income. You don’t just get to say “The world is shit, with shit people who do shitty things, so stick it in-between two loaves of bread and make yourself a shit sandwich.” (My own statement directed towards no one, btw.)

Honestly, the issue really shouldn’t be that hard, sharing intimately shared, intimate photos publicly is not ok. Has anyone ever heard the issue between engagement rings and wedding rings a million times? Conditional gifts? You received an intimate picture because you were in the relationship with that person; if you were never in a relationship with that person you would have never received that picture. Once that relationship ends, you don’t get to see that person naked anymore; the pictures should probably be deleted. At the very least, you don’t get to then escalate things further than they’ve ever gone and start sharing them publicly.

As final clarification, this talking points wouldn’t whole-heartedly apply to sharing these pictures while still in a relationship. Also, courts exist for things like determining if this was an established relationship or if the dude found the picture somewhere else, etc. But the notion that “revenge porn” at its most malicious is just OK is ridiculous. But by all means, feel free to be the people in Sex Ed that they talk about, and why you can never trust people, and ultimately keep guys from being able to enjoy photos of their girlfriends and wives.

Update before posting:
-No, courts are never a venue for people to grow up. The instance described is malicious activity against others that should be prosecuted as a crime.

 

[William Tell]

Exactly who defines "behave responsibly?"

You can't figure that out without the government telling you?

 

[tod evans]

The instance described is malicious activity against others that should be prosecuted as a crime.

Thank you for your opinion.

I disagree.

 

[cajuncocoa]

But if you did care, it would be illegal?

This subject is a little personal to me. I've had a picture of my face Photoshopped on an extreme plus-sized naked woman and plastered on the Internet (without my permission, of course) before. This happened about 12-13 years ago. It was done by a group of Vietnam veterans on a message board who didn't like my political views. It was my fault. I was a co-administrator on the site...I was too forthcoming with information about myself. I shouldn't have posted my picture (of my face) on that site, and everyone also knew my real name. Live and learn. And I'm still learning about trusting people online. I knew it wasn't illegal for those people to me to do this even though it was embarrassing, and I'm not kidding when I say it caused a lot of anxiety because I had no idea who might see this picture (they posted it on their own website and they used my real name....it showed up in Google search engines at the time. It's gone now, thankfully.)

That's the long answer to your question. The short answer is no. Because I already know it's not illegal.

 

[cajuncocoa]

You can't figure that out without the government telling you?

If we can't, there will always be a government. We will never achieve our goals of freedom and liberty. I promise you that.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Really? So sharing intimate pictures in an intimate relationship has no reasonable expectation of privacy?

The instance described is malicious activity against others that should be prosecuted as a crime.

I agree.

What if this woman is getting undressed in the (expected) privacy of their shared bedroom, maybe getting ready to take a shower, and the boyfriend takes a picture of her while completely naked (unbeknownst to her) and then posts it online? Is that OK with this crowd too??

 

[106459]

Thank you for your opinion.

I disagree.

Ok - that's cool; just out of curiousity, do you see anything ethically or morally wrong with the behavior from your first post? Or is it ok for people to act like that?

 

[William Tell]

If we can't, there will always be a government. We will never achieve our goals of freedom and liberty. I promise you that.

I think we are in agreement. Those who love liberty tend to oppose others governing them in most cases, if we are not willing to govern ourselves others will continue to see a large state as necessary. If we want to be free, we must show that freedom works. and that it all doesn't revert to a law of the jungle, Lord of the Flies situation. As the hardcore statists claim everything would without a huge Big Brother.