Republican Presidential Debate to Exclude Ron Paul

[freelance]

Gosh, I hate to ask this question, but just HOW important is a good showing in Iowa if we could put all of that effort into New Hampshire?

 

[me3]

The campaign could set up a fund raising drive for advertising money, and run ads throughout the debate. Boy would that ever be effective.

 

[flahavin]

Star of the Show

Sadly, even in Ron Paul was in the debate(which he probably will be), it wouldn't really matter the ways things have gone so far with Fox News moderated debates. So even if Ron Paul is included in the "debate," The real concerns should be :

1) Will he get equal airtime as the other candidates?
2) Is this going to be another Hillary Clinton love fest?
3) At this point, will all the questions be focused around bashing the front running candidate in the polls? If we do our jobs, then everyone should hopefully be afraid of Ron Paul, not Ritt Guliromney.

Thanks to today's media coverage, Ron Paul's name means more! He was on the front page of msnbc.com earlier today (I have a screen shot on my site if you missed it). The key is to make sure this media hype continues. I know you guys are doing your job, My mom called me this morning at 5:30 (woke me up) because Joe Scarborough spent a good segment talking about Ron Paul's following and fund raising . Money talks!

This money is still coming in too. Today so far we raised $224k, which is above the daily average, and it's only a little past half-time!

-Sean
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www.flahavin.com

 

[adpierce]

This is a win-win situation.

Situation 1: Ron Paul is excluded from the debate. An explosion of ground troops arrive on site in Des Moines. We get Major national news on a level never before seen from a grassroots movement in the history of this country.

Situation 2: Ron Paul gets his message out to people watching the debates all over the country.


Personally I think it's quite possible Situation 1 would be better for the movement than situation 2. Although those scum bags don't seem to realize they'd probably do better not asking ron paul too many questions in a debate like they've been doing than force his exclusion. They're idiots, let them dig their own graves.

 

[bolidew]

If Iowa-GOP want to decide who are eligible, ask them to use this year's Iowa-STRAW-POLL or organize a new Iowa-STRAW-POLL before the debate!

 

[tmg19103]

I just spoke to a woman at the Iowa GOP (515-282-8105) and she said it is out their hands, FOX is running the show! Ron Paul can still get in if he polls 5%. I even told her how RP just raised $4.3M in one day yesterday - more than any GOP candidate, and she said that's fine but he has to poll 5% and it's Fox rules.

My take - Iowa GOP does not want RP and is using Fox as their excuse.

Also, if you call them, as an FYI they will be able to tell which state you are calling from. We need Iowa supporters to call and tell them how they are leaving the GOP and becoming Independents due to this and will never give money to the Iowa GOP again.

Don't bother with Fox - they won't budge as they try and rig this election. We need to let the Iowa GOP know they will suffer a severe loss of party members and donations if RP is not allowed into this debate.

While we need a decent showing in Iowa, what is more important is that A LOT of people across the country will be watching this nationally televised debate right before the primaries.

Only other option I see is to get to 5% in Iowa FAST. The only way I see doing that is to start running ads now. Question is, is it worth the campaign money?

This REALLY PISSES ME OFF!

 

[Taco John]

Gosh, I hate to ask this question, but just HOW important is a good showing in Iowa if we could put all of that effort into New Hampshire?

Iowa is key to the campaign's strategy... Our strategy is focused around New Hampshire, Iowa, Michigan, South Carolina, and Nevada...

 

[MsDoodahs]

I also called, and the woman said something about ARG and Des Moines Register polls.

She read the press release to me on the phone. The lady who is in charge of the press release was not in but I left a message and asked that she call me to provide info on where the press release was to be found online.

I haven't checked the Faux News site, I'll go poke around over there...

 

[tmg19103]

Sadly, even in Ron Paul was in the debate(which he probably will be), it wouldn't really matter the ways things have gone so far with Fox News moderated debates. So even if Ron Paul is included in the "debate," The real concerns should be :

1) Will he get equal airtime as the other candidates?
2) Is this going to be another Hillary Clinton love fest?
3) At this point, will all the questions be focused around bashing the front running candidate in the polls? If we do our jobs, then everyone should hopefully be afraid of Ron Paul, not Ritt Guliromney.

Thanks to today's media coverage, Ron Paul's name means more! He was on the front page of msnbc.com earlier today (I have a screen shot on my site if you missed it). The key is to make sure this media hype continues. I know you guys are doing your job, My mom called me this morning at 5:30 (woke me up) because Joe Scarborough spent a good segment talking about Ron Paul's following and fund raising . Money talks!

This money is still coming in too. Today so far we raised $224k, which is above the daily average, and it's only a little past half-time!

-Sean
--------
www.flahavin.com

Even after the last Fox Debate where RP was booed by the rigged Fox audience his campign website traffic went way up. People look him up when they just hear he is the only GOP candidate against the war in a debate. Saying that alone in 30 seconds is worth thousands of new supporters. This is exposure that can't be missed unless somehow we get tens of thousands to swamp Des Moines to match that exposure, which will be very tough.

 

[Taco John]

These are the key polls:

Fox News National Poll:

Ron Paul polled at 1%

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/102507_politics_release_web.pdf


Iowa Polls:

Ron Paul polled at 4% in the last Des Moines Register poll
Ron Paul polled at 1% in the last ARG Poll

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071007/NEWS09/71005048/-1/caucus

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/iarep8-711.html


Apparently there's another round of polling that will decide it. I don't know when it is though...

 

[Seanmc30]

This really is infuriating, I think on a domestic level Fox News is the most dangerous organization in the country because of the distorted role it plays in public opinion. Thats not to say that the others are much better, but Fox is far and away the most manipulative, dishonest, and damaging.

For God's sake, we are the people here....We swing the votes, we donate the money, we pay the advertisers, and we make the decisions. There has got to be some way we can get around Fox News, there must be some way to bypass them all together.

I think eventually, we need to stop thinking about simply boycotting Fox and start thinking about exposing this dishonesty on a NATIONAL level.... In a world so full of distortion and dishonesty, there is simply no room for this kind of media abuse.


The world needs to know that Fox News is just a glorified 24 hour Nancy Grace with cool graphics!!! NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY!

 

[Oliver]

This is a win-win situation.

Situation 1: Ron Paul is excluded from the debate. An explosion of ground troops arrive on site in Des Moines. We get Major national news on a level never before seen from a grassroots movement in the history of this country.

Exactly. A major protest at all Fox offices certainly would get
a lot of attention in case of Ron Paul being excluded from the
Iowa Debates.

So no matter what the outcome will be - there's nothing to lose.
Quite the opposite.

 

[me3]

Protests and rallies outside news stations rarely get covered.

 

[Oliver]

Protests and rallies outside news stations rarely get covered.

Depends on what you understand under "Major Protest".

 

[VRP08]

What kind of polls are those?!?! If the people had a say in those polls to begin with!I never got a chance to vote in those polls! How are we supposed to vote in those fox polls???

 

[me3]

Depends on what you understand under "Major Protest".

If they are willing to exclude Paul at all costs, believe me, they will find a way not to report the rally outside. We'd have to film it ourselves and get the coverage to MSNBC, ABC and others.

 

[MsDoodahs]

How are we supposed to vote in those fox polls???

You aren't. That's the idea.

 

[F3d]

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[MsDoodahs]

If they are willing to exclude Paul at all costs, believe me, they will find a way not to report the rally outside. We'd have to film it ourselves and get the coverage to MSNBC, ABC and others.

Even then, they won't run it.

Ron has them worried.

Ron has them worried because of US.

Let's don't lose sight of this.

WE are a powerful force.

 

[Seanmc30]

What kind of polls are those?!?! If the people had a say in those polls to begin with!I never got a chance to vote in those polls! How are we supposed to vote in those fox polls???

To Qualify you have to


1. Be worth over 1 Billion dollars
2. Profiting from the war
3. Own a major Oil Company
4. Agree with Hannity, O'reilly, Malkin, or Coulter on anything