Republican party knows we have a good shot!

[idiom]

Thats right, honorable soldiers do not wear camoflage.

 

[WilliamC]

Thats right, honorable soldiers do not wear camoflage.

Well sometimes they do, but to delibrately go into a Republican club or local party and treat them right off as the enemy (which is the impression I get from some folks) is not the way to win the hearts and minds of the rank and file.

I suppose in Republican Party structures that are heavily dominated by pro-McCain neocons there might be reason for some stealth, but that's not the situation I find myself in.

But as to the sentiment of your post, I agree that when you start lying about your principles to advance your cause then you are starting down the path of using fraud to get what you can't by voluntary cooperation. And that's counter-productive to the cause of liberty and individual rights. They can't be forced on people or spread by tricking people into adopting them, they have to be spread by example and honest conversion.

Like Ron Paul himself has been trying to do his entire political career.

There are reasons he has near perfect integrity, and one of them is that he doesn't lie about what he's trying to do.

 

[Todd]

Gosh...Alot of good points on both sides. I think I lean more to being principled, but you also don't have to offer your entire life story either.

What did Goldwater say?

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater


Sometimes the ends do justify the means.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Here's an idea. how about we get people in as huck delegates AND paul delegates. This way we aren't bound to McCain first round AND we have a mutli pronged attack - coming from what huck thought were his and our own strong delegates.

 

[Banana]

Personally, I'd rather to be honest; just don't have to tell them right off the bat if I think I'm in a den of lions. Tell them that I will support Republican's nominee, Constitution and so forth.

Better to be a McCain delegate than not to be one at all. Of course, I will vote whoever I am bound to, out of principle. If brokered convention happens, I do what I want.

If no brokered convention, I still get to do what I want WRT party's platform, party rules and so forth.

That's why I keep saying if we storm the convention, Paul wins, even if he doesn't get the nomination.

 

[gracebkr]

Wow, didn't know this sparked a debate. Either way, I don't lie. It's a choice I made when I was a child. I will not lie to advance my position. I am making a good choice by supporting Ron Paul and I have nothing to hide. I am a hard core conservative, anti federalist. I am in good standing with the Republican party. And as i already stated, it was impossible for him to appoint me because those spots were filled with Ron Paul people. They showed up, now I am in a race for my spot, if I win, then 3 of our 4 spots in this county will be Ron Paul, if I don't then 2 are. So, what he was saying was not he won't appoint me because of Ron Paul's strategy, but because he can't appoint because Ron Paul's strategy is working.

And to whoever said this is about pride, NO, it is about integrity. I plan on making a political career, whether it be through writing papers, or books or teaching, or running as president one day, I will not begin by being a liar. I could only hope to be as transparent as Ron Paul. That is why I am here. He is what he says he is. His record doesn't lie, but if he was a liar, I would not be here. I will campaign on Ron Paul and throw my name in it at the end.

I don't lie.

 

[gracebkr]

This is not criticizing anyone in particular but please do not act like a Neocon:

• Stop saying that you will "take over" the GOP unless you WANT to defeat Ron Paul by inviting blowback. Expect agent provocateurs to say we are trying to "take over" to sabotage us.
• It was the Neocons who took over/hijacked the GOP. You HELP the Neocons when you describe US as the foreign invaders (and grant the Neocons victim status).
• WE are RESTORING/SAVING/DEFENDING the GOP (principles).

How to pass the GOP loyalty test honestly: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=119834

Exactly. He actually asked me why I was not voting for John McCain and I gave him answers that show I am a Republican. I questioned his family values, his amnesty, his potential spending with his war ideas and his anti gun stance. Bam, he's not a Republican and I am. I can't say I agree with those things. I think people will come around when they see the cause is just, but being a liar hurts the cause. I hate liars.

 

[zadrock]

We can't win without current members of the GOP. Sure, some of them are neocons, but many of them aren't and are longing for someone who's truly conservative. By openly supporting Ron Paul at GOP events, we allow for the possibility of converting some of the GOP to our cause. If we lie and support other candidates, then how can we get them to support Ron Paul if we are not openly supporting him?

I think that most GOP officials, especially those at the local levels, only dislike RP because of the negative exposure he's gotten. If we can openly support him and explain WHY, we have a good chance of converting them if they are truly conservative. This is actually the perfect year to openly support him because so many conservatives disdain the other Presidential choices.

One thing I would recommend is to know RP's foreign policy inside and out before going to one of these conventions. That is the biggest obstacle we must overcome. But point out how RP wanted to use letters of marque and reprisal right after 9/11, how he really believes in a strong defense, etc. People wrongly think that he just wants to lay down and surrender and we must convince them that that's not the case. One-third of Republicans want us out of Iraq. We CAN win the hearts and minds of true Republicans, but we must stay wary of the neocons.

Z

 

[zadrock]

I should also add: be sure to bring up the fact that Ron Paul gets more donations from the armed forces than all other candidates combined. Then let THEM try to justify why that's the case.

Z

 

[manny]

We can't win without current members of the GOP. Sure, some of them are neocons, but many of them aren't and are longing for someone who's truly conservative. By openly supporting Ron Paul at GOP events, we allow for the possibility of converting some of the GOP to our cause. If we lie and support other candidates, then how can we get them to support Ron Paul if we are not openly supporting him?

I think that most GOP officials, especially those at the local levels, only dislike RP because of the negative exposure he's gotten. If we can openly support him and explain WHY, we have a good chance of converting them if they are truly conservative. This is actually the perfect year to openly support him because so many conservatives disdain the other Presidential choices.

One thing I would recommend is to know RP's foreign policy inside and out before going to one of these conventions. That is the biggest obstacle we must overcome. But point out how RP wanted to use letters of marque and reprisal right after 9/11, how he really believes in a strong defense, etc. People wrongly think that he just wants to lay down and surrender and we must convince them that that's not the case. One-third of Republicans want us out of Iraq. We CAN win the hearts and minds of true Republicans, but we must stay wary of the neocons.

Z

Great post. Ron is the best and most conservative candidate on

gun rights
taxes
illegal immigration
the UN
states rights

etc etc.

This should be the message. And we need to keep pushing it. I notice this Murray Sabrin guy is very good at expressing it.

Sometimes I think Ron is just too honest. He's like the perfect university lecturer - cuts through the rubbish and gives just the truth. For example at that first debate when Rudy claimed Ron had blamed Americans for 9/11, Ron answered perfectly and any intelligent person saw Rudy as an idiot. However, being this is politics, Ron probably could have started his reply off with "I would never blame Americans, this is the greatest country in the world and I was in the Air Force" etc.

Incidentally, Ron is the most conservative on foreign policy too (imagine if Hillary Clinton was sending young americans to die to provide revenue for political contributors and further a globalist agenda of western "democracy" world-wide).

Go read free-republic. They are crying out for someone to stop illegal immigration and who understands the wonder of capitalism and the rule of law. But they honestly think Ron's a liberal Got to get the message across that he's conservative. Liberals would have a heart attack if Ron got in - no more UN, gun control or illegal immigrants