Republican or Libertarian

OptionsTrader said:
In an open primary state, I have no reason to be a Republican party member. It would make me feel dirty inside anyway at this point.
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When I hear people say stuff like this - I can't help but think that they're projecting what other people think about the republican party onto themselves. Just remember, you are you - not what others think you are.

In other words, when I hear people say things like "makes me feel dirty inside" I can't help but get the impression that you're afraid of what others might think of you. Unless you're doing something wrong and selfish - why should it feel unjust?

I live here in Los Angeles (Hollywood) and I'll tell you - It would be FAR more socially acceptable for me to be a Democrat. Republicans of today don't really represent me either, but people like Ron Paul are the exeption. Respectfully, I can't think of a Democrat today who even tries to walk the same line of individual liberty and limited government.

I too am not sure if I'll remain in the republican party or revert back to libertarian, but I sure as hell won't do it because I care what others think of the party. If I am to remain in the Republican party, it would be to uphold the values and message that Ron Paul is fighting for.
 
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jbuttell said:
When I hear people say stuff like this - I can't help but think that they're projecting what other people think about the republican party onto themselves. Just remember, you are you - not what others think you are.

In other words, when I hear people say things like "makes me feel dirty inside" I can't help but get the impression that you're afraid of what others might think of you. Unless you're doing something wrong and selfish - why should it feel unjust?

I too am not sure if I'll remain in the republican party or revert back to libertarian, but I sure as hell won't do it because I care what others think of the party. If I am to remain in the Republican party, it would be to uphold the values and message that Ron Paul is fighting for.
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It has nothing to do with what people think of me, it has everything to do with what I think of what the majority of the party has become.
 
Don't like neo-cons

icon124 said:
I'm stuck...I don't know what to do. Should I stay a Republican or switch to Libertarian. They both have benefits and setbacks

Republican - Already recognized. Easier to vote for people, BUT (the BIG but) as long as I'm registered Repub I have to deal with those dirty neo-cons. They will bother me and I don't even want to be seen near any of them lol. Plus being a republican they automatically assume your a dirty neo-con as well lol

Libertarian - They agree with everything I do, and it would be so much easier to deal with those guys calling me lol. At the same time it's hard for any candidate to get on ballots.

Logic tells me to stay Republican for the voting reasons, but I don't know if I can deal with it lol

Anyway what are you guys doing?
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Instead of complaining about all those neo-cons in the Republican Party, why don't you replace them? It's easy to do. All you have to do is put your name on the November ballot and do a little campaigning in and around your precinct.

After you win your seat on your local county Republican Party Executive Committee representing your precinct, you can start bringing Dr. Paul's message to any neo-cons that are left, if they themselves haven't been replaced by a fellow Ron Paul precinct committee man or woman.

joe
 
I felt filthy being in the neocon party after the primary. I tried switching, but the county won't let me switch until after the election.
 
The next primary election is in over four years. There's no way I'm going to stay registered as a Republican for that long. I'm now registered as a Libertarian, and plan to get involved with that party for the next four years. Especially since there's going to be a state election before then. If there's another Ron Paul running in the next primary, I'll switch back.
 
leonster said:
I would agree, but amend it a little.

Stay Republican, but vote whoever is likely to represent the ideals of maximum liberty, combined with the best chance of actually enacting those ideals into policy.

If you have a 3-way race, a run-of-the-mill Democrat, a Libertarian polling at 5%, and a Ron Paul style Republican who agrees 90% with Ron Paul and is polling even with the Democrat, vote the Republican.

Same is true if it's a Democrat who will 90% stand up for liberty, vs. a Neo-con... vote the Democrat.

If it's an average Democrat (socialist) and an average Republican (neocon), then look for a Libertarian or Constitution party candidate to vote for... don't vote for the lesser of two evils.

That's what I'll do, anyways... just my two cents.

By the way, the purpose of staying Republican is not to vote Republican, particularly... except in the occasional cases of a Ron Paul/libertarian Republican in a contested primary. In the general election, you can vote for whomever anyways. The point of staying in, is to take over the party by numbers at the grassroots level party meetings, where 99.5% of Republicans never bother to get involved. If we do get involved, en masse, we can take over the Republican platform, and eventually elect our own kind to national Republican leadership positions, and start swaying the voters to the side of liberty through the official party, rather than be mostly locked out like this year with the current Neocon leadership.
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+ Infinity, best post ever on this subject.

Libertarians are our friends and in most cases, if you have an RP Republican you can probably get them to register and then vote for that person or persons.

That being said, all of us running to the LP, while it would be great for the LP, would be the kiss of death for this movement.

I'm fine with pro-war freedom-supporters like Flake, Shadegg, and Tancredo, so long as our domestic agenda is upheld. Similarly, guys on the far left like Dennis Kucinich, although a bit loony, are worth our support for the reason that they are often the ones harping most on the attack on civil liberties.

We have to remember that our support is unlikely to simply be concentrated into "RP Republicans" all of the time. That being said, it is where our strongest base is.

To paraphrase the Club For Growth speaking on Ron Paul's own trade agreement opposition, "You can't throw out the good because it isn't perfect, because then you might never get even the good."
 
I've been trying to work out this one in my head:

Does constitutionalist = libertarian (is Constitutionalism Libertarianism)
Is this what the Republic was meant to be in the first place and were the people living there called republicans.
 
Red Dingo said:
I've been trying to work out this one in my head:

Does constitutionalist = libertarian (is Constitutionalism Libertarianism)
Is this what the Republic was meant to be in the first place and were the people living there called republicans.
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No, Constitutionalism advocates a larger federalised government than pure Libertarianism.
 
Red Dingo said:
I've been trying to work out this one in my head:

Does constitutionalist = libertarian (is Constitutionalism Libertarianism)
Is this what the Republic was meant to be in the first place and were the people living there called republicans.
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Go to their respective websites, read their platforms. Try to ignore the noise.
 
Being a libertarian sends a message. Being a Republican does not. I plan on sending that message. The more of us that move to the libertarian party, the more people in Washington will see that we want people in office who care about libertarian principles. If we stay Republican, they will think we are happy with the socialist position and continue to act as if the Republican party and its desire to take over the world are what makes people happy.

They can't tell you are a libertarian leaning Republican, all they see is the big R and then the party has no reason to change. After all, what they are doing must be working. If we all desert the party, then the Republicans might get scared. Right now 2/3 of the people are voting Dem in the primaries. Why prop up a dying party? Let it die.

It is time the entire Republican party was replaced. It doesn't fit us anyway. Why try to help a party that says a million things you have to go in and change when by moving over to the libertarian party you are joining a party that says all you ever wanted?

You all do what you want, but I don't like the Republican party. I don't like the people in that party and I don't agree with any of their policies. I am hoping that party will end and I will do all I can toward that goal.

Take care all.

T-bolt.
 
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