Religion

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Lately I've been thinking more and more about religion. I can't really say I belong to a certain religion because I feel they all have plenty of falicies. At the same time after plenty of thought and different philosophy angles I have come to believe that there has to be some sort of higher power out there. Over the years I really haven't been religious at all, and have always wondered if there was a God out there. Of course no one will ever be certain until the day comes (or not lol) but I do believe there is something out there. Although I feel most of the bibles out there could have been written and worded in whatever way anyone wanted to, and then all they would have to do is brainwash people into believing the word.

Anyway how do you guys feel about the hot topic of religion. Is a God out there watching over us, or is this all some sick science experience lol. Why have you come to the conclusion that you have? Is it just blind faith? Are you doing it because your family has done it for years and you were kind of just forced into it? (know a lot of people like that)...anyway explain

 

[Anti Federalist]

There is more to all of us than the "right here, right now".

There are further planes of existence than the "right here, right now".

There is much more happening than what we can perceive in the "right here, right now".

God the Creator works in all these realms, in manners, ways and means beyond our ken, even with guidance from holy writs, very advanced when one considers them, based on when and for whom they were written.

There is more to us than birth, work and worm food.

One of the most base evils of tyranny is that the search for spiritual truth is often one of the first freedoms ripped from oppressed peoples everywhere.

 

[Corydoras]

omg! Incoming! Duck!

 

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'm an atheist. I believe that virtually every religion is a cult.

 

[Anti Federalist]

omg! Incoming! Duck!

 

[SeekLiberty]

I'm an atheist. I believe that virtually every religion is a cult.

I'm a Deist. I believe that every organized religion is a cult. But then again, any form of collectivism, is a cult.

Anytime you have to sacrifice your individuality for the "good of the group/cause", you're in a cult. If government is not self-government (like our Founders intended), then it's a cult.

These forums even have the color of a cult. It sacrifices Liberty, the contest of Free and Open Public debate, in the name of the "good of the campaign." The secrecy of hiding 76,000+ messages in a private forum is cult-like behavior.

I can understand why some have nick-named blind Ron Paul followers as "Paulites." I've seen blind obedience to what Ron Paul has said, even though the statement was made under duress. These blind supporters (hero worshipers?) support him, even though they don't fully understand or practice the principles of Liberty themselves. In spite of that, I still appreciate that they support him. However, I wish they would work much harder at understanding Liberty, and the practice of Liberty. A few here are still obviously confused about it.

To me, Ron Paul is simply a good man, and an awesome Patriot of Liberty. He so happens to represent most, if not all, of my principles of Liberty. So I support him, as I would support any another individual who has similar values about Liberty.

To prop him up as some kind of savior, I will never do. That's cultism. Ron can't save our Country. He can help, but he can't do it alone. He's not our only hope either. Each individual can help a lot by simply knowing their Rights and the Law, and then exercising their Rights and enforcing the Law. Restoring a Free Republic is truly a grassroots effort that has to work from the "bottom" up with each individual.

As Ron Paul does, I also endorse We The People Radio Network for a great education on Liberty and restoring our Constitutional Republic.

http://www.wtprn.com/archives.html

- SL

 

[Hiki]

I do not believe in religion. I'm pretty young but I've seen a lot about religions and I simply cant follow them. It's the most awful bullshit on earth. I like the kind of believers who keep thy religion to thyself. Ron Paul is a great example of these, he doesn't make a number out of it and keeps it personal. That's what religion should be about, personal belief.
When it comes to a god, i'm between atheism and agnostic. I really dont know if there is a higher being, it's very likely. But gods in religions, that's a no-no for me. The God in the Bible for example is a terrible person and I do not want him in my life.

I dont believe we have a soul, but I do believe that there must be some higher consciousness. The human mind is just too beautiful and great to be electric impulses.

 

[yongrel]

Branch Davidian here.

 

[rpfreedom08]

You know I've been thinking the same thing for a while now. Now I may be paranoid but after reading lots and lots of information on the illuminati, freemasonry, bohemian grove, and the skull and bones or the order of death at yale university (I know I know, laugh it up) and seeing the most prominent political figures on earth worshiping Satan through these orders, I have to believe that they know something I do not. That being said if there is a devil to worship then there must be a god as well. It's getting more and more like I just don't choose to believe in God but with all these other people so strongly believing in Satan and deriving much of their "power" from him, that one has to logically come to the conclusion that if Satan is real then so is God. No?

 

[rpfreedom08]

I do not believe in religion. I'm pretty young but I've seen a lot about religions and I simply cant follow them. It's the most awful bullshit on earth. I like the kind of believers who keep thy religion to thyself. Ron Paul is a great example of these, he doesn't make a number out of it and keeps it personal. That's what religion should be about, personal belief.
When it comes to a god, i'm between atheism and agnostic. I really dont know if there is a higher being, it's very likely. But gods in religions, that's a no-no for me. The God in the Bible for example is a terrible person and I do not want him in my life.

I dont believe we have a soul, but I do believe that there must be some higher consciousness. The human mind is just too beautiful and great to be electric impulses.

So what tipped you off about God in the bible being so terrible? Was it him feeding people, healing people, turning the other cheek, forgiving people, dying on the cross for other people, saving people, being ridiculed and put to death by people, or was it the fact that T.V. evangelists, roman catholics (with their witch burnings, cruisades, and indulgances), muslims, and any other "perverted religions" that put a bad name on christianity? I mean all the things I've ever heard about what Jesus taught where always good things and that people perverting what God said is what ultimately led to most of the bad views people hold towards him today. I mean just because we have a jackass, neonazi, warcriminal, president that told everyone he was a christian doesn't make him a christian at all. Many people do things in the name of religion but it doesn't make them christians.

I emagine a true christian in office would have told the public about blowback and how the administrations before him overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran and installed a military dictator in his place all for oil. This made people mad and now there is blowback. He would have probably went to war with afganistan just to make sure the attacking country was brought to justice and left it there.....Hum, sounds like Ron Paul.

I see nothing wrong with TRUE christianity.

 

[rpfreedom08]

To me, Ron Paul is simply a good man, and an awesome Patriot of Liberty. He so happens to represent most, if not all, of my principles of Liberty. So I support him, as I would support any another individual who has similar values about Liberty.

To prop him up as some kind of savior, I will never do. That's cultism. Ron can't save our Country. He can help, but he can't do it alone. He's not our only hope either. Each individual can help a lot by simply knowing their Rights and the Law, and then exercising their Rights and enforcing the Law. Restoring a Free Republic is truly a grassroots effort that has to work from the "bottom" up with each individual.

As Ron Paul does, I also endorse We The People Radio Network for a great education on Liberty and restoring our Constitutional Republic.

http://www.wtprn.com/archives.html

- SL

agreed.

 

[Truth Warrior]

This short excerpt from a recent article on finance fairly well expresses my long held viewpoint.

Politics and religion are both the same thing. They are both simply effective methods to control large masses of people. I just figured that one out not too long ago when I was into my learning the history of the world project. It has always been that way and always will be.

Church and state, merely the two separate wings of the same old evil tyranny bird.

 

[Hiki]

So what tipped you off about God in the bible being so terrible? Was it him feeding people, healing people, turning the other cheek, forgiving people, dying on the cross for other people, saving people, being ridiculed and put to death by people, or was it the fact that T.V. evangelists, roman catholics (with their witch burnings, cruisades, and indulgances), muslims, and any other "perverted religions" that put a bad name on christianity? I mean all the things I've ever heard about what Jesus taught where always good things and that people perverting what God said is what ultimately led to most of the bad views people hold towards him today. I mean just because we have a jackass, neonazi, warcriminal, president that told everyone he was a christian doesn't make him a christian at all. Many people do things in the name of religion but it doesn't make them christians.

No those are quite nice things, but the ones which tipped me off are stuff like being a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

 

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No one knows the true nature of God. All manmade religions are tools of social and political control. If anyone claims to be writing or speaking God's words they are just yanking your chain for their own benefit.

 

[LittleLightShining]

I was raised Roman Catholic-- went to Catholic school and church. My parents stopped going to church because the priests were always crying about money. They would make a big deal if the donation envelopes didn't come in every week and my parents often felt humiliated. I left Catholic school in 8th grade because the priests would not answer my questions about dinosaurs. I was not allowed to make my Confirmation because my parents didn't consistently donate to the church. This left me feeling like church and Jesus were a scam to manipulate people into feeling guilty.

In high school I considered myself agnostic but could not deny the existence of The Creator. There was too much order and beauty in the natural world to have just appeared out of nothing. I felt a personal connection to the spirit of The Creator, but felt that Jesus was a tool of religion to control and subdue people. I started hanging around with people who were interested in Krishna and Buddhism and even though I admired the devotion of the followers I was raised Roman Catholic-- went to Catholic school and church. My parents moved away from going to church but still believing because the priests were always crying about money and they would make a big deal if the donation envelopes didn't come in every week. I left Catholic school in 8th grade because the priests would not answer my questions about dinosaurs. I was not allowed to make my Confirmation because my parents didn't consistently donate to the church.

In high school I considered myself agnostic but could not deny the existence of The Creator. There was too much order and beauty in the natural world to have just appeared out of nothing. I felt a personal connection to the spirit of The Creator, but felt that Jesus was a tool of religion to control and subdue people. I started hanging around with people who were interested in Krishna and Buddhism and even though I admired the devotion of the followers these faiths felt somehow empty to me.

One day two Mormon missionaries came to my workplace and began talking to me. I appreciated them taking the time to pray with me and their honest attempts to answer my questions. I went to church with them one time and I didn't like the separation of the men and the women. I also didn't agree with some of the doctrine they taught, but I realized that what I was missing was a personal relationship with God. I moved on from the Mormon missionaries but took with me a new understanding of Jesus. He became for me a friend and savior, a comforter and guide.

There came a point where I realized that the world doesn't make any sense to me outside of the context of Christianity. I'm not going to go into all of the details about why this is but I would be willing to discuss questions privately.

As I have gotten older and investigated other churches I have found that I am a misfit. Though I read my Bible and do believe it is infallible there is a disconnect for me between church culture and true religion. I think churches provide wonderful services for people, but I can't seem to find a place where I feel comfortable in my imperfectness. It's not because I seek to always be imperfect, but rather that I don't feel accepted an loved as Jesus accepts me and loves me. I guess I'm a stubborn person, but I need to come to conclusions on my own. Maybe there is a church somewhere for us, but so far we have had really bad experiences with churches and Christians in general, so we choose to read our Bibles, pray and seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit without the help of other organized people-- though I love to talk about the Bible with anyone who is willing to come to the conversation with a good attitude, whether they believe or not. I always learn something new.

 

[Kade]

omg! Incoming! Duck!

Ha.

 

[Hiki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

When it comes to hot topics, George Carlin always nails it

 

[rpfreedom08]

No those are quite nice things, but the ones which tipped me off are stuff like being a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

Did that spawn from God or did that spawn from man's morbid interpretation of God's word?

 

[Hiki]

Did that spawn from God or did that spawn from man's morbid interpretation of God's word?

You can find definitions for all those adjectives in the Bible. Just read it, after all it's God's word right?

 

[rpfreedom08]

You can find definitions for all those adjectives in the Bible. Just read it, after all it's God's word right?

Look, what god taught and how people interprate those teachings are two completely differant things. I know that God spoke out against sodomy and sexual perversion but that's only because he understood where it would bring us as a civilization....Where we are today..

I truly believe that this country was founded on moral and religous beliefs and the further we have drifted from those beliefs the less free and more enslaved we have become.