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[RJB]

(ZippyJuan said he was working for the Israeli govt in his signature)

Zippy was joking. This was in response to another person accusing him of that.

I tend to disagree with Zippy probably 90% of the time, but I gotta hand it to him for his sense of humor.

 

[Suzanimal]

Zippyjuan accuses a member of supporting Hitler. These are clearly against the guidelines, which call for infractions or bans of RPF members who promote bigotry or use name-calling (in order to promote the cause of liberty, obviously). Zippyjuan's signature uses to say he was a paid Israei govt agent, obviously meant to promote the idea the idea that RPF members are Israeli govt agents. This is a classic anti-Semitic stereotype, wherein Jews who disagree with non-Jews are accused of treason and working to support corrupt Jewish causes. Zippyjuan should be permanently banned from this site for promoting bigotry against Jews, as well as his IP address. Make it happen.

This vvv (what RJB posted), it's a joke, ffs. Seriously, OReich, disagreeing with things the Israeli government does doesn't mean you're an anti-semite. I disagree with things all governments do BUT that doesn't mean I hate the people that live there or here. You've thrown that accusation at me before and, frankly, it's getting tiresome.

Zippy was joking. This was in response to another person accusing him of that.

I tend to disagree with Zippy probably 90% of the time, but I gotta hand it to him for his sense of humor.

 

[tod evans]

This vvv (what RJB posted), it's a joke, ffs. Seriously, OReich, disagreeing with things the Israeli government does doesn't mean you're an anti-semite. I disagree with things all governments do BUT that doesn't mean I hate the people that live there or here. You've thrown that accusation at me before and, frankly, it's getting tiresome.

I find it ironic that this dude(ette) shows up about the same time as American Spartan, same thing a few months back.......

 

[RJB]

This vvv (what RJB posted), it's a joke, ffs. Seriously, OReich, disagreeing with things the Israeli government does doesn't mean you're an anti-semite. I disagree with things all governments do BUT that doesn't mean I hate the people that live there or here. You've thrown that accusation at me before and, frankly, it's getting tiresome.

OReich. It cracks me up when I hear people on the forum generalize women as emotional and take things too personal. Suz is about the coolest person on the forum. If she says you're getting tiresome, you may want to check out some of your internal issues. It may (does) have less to do with your political stances and more in the way you come across.

 

[Suzanimal]

OReich. It cracks me up when I hear people on the forum generalize women as emotional and take things too personal. Suz is about the coolest person on the forum. If she says you're getting tiresome, you may want to check out some of your internal issues. It may (does) have less to do with your political stances and more in the way you come across.

Interestingly enough, of all the threads I've started, only three (give or take) have been about Israel - one was a Banksy thread and the others were about Israeli soldiers shooting kids. He was rather nasty to me in his first pm but we did end up hashing it out and ended on a good note. I don't dislike OReich, btw, I just think he needs to understand that criticizing the actions of the Israeli government does not make you an anti-Semite. I can appreciate where his sensitivity comes from but, damn, give it a rest...

 

[OReich]

OReich. It cracks me up when I hear people on the forum generalize women as emotional and take things too personal. Suz is about the coolest person on the forum. If she says you're getting tiresome, you may want to check out some of your internal issues. It may (does) have less to do with your political stances and more in the way you come across.

You are using the excuse "not all criticism of Israel is anti-Semtiic" to defend blatant anti-Semitism.

You guys have an incredibly high tolerance for crazy anti-Semites on these forum, and you don't rely how racist the anti-Israel criticism is. I'm not a Zionist, and I've had to explain to my own family that I don't support killing all of the Jews just because I'm not a Zionist. I understand not all criticism of Israel is racist, I think its creation and existence are unethical and illegal. Palestine, and all the other Islamic dictatorships that are trying to destroy Israel and kick out or kill all of its Jews, are worse. Enhanced_deficit and others on this forum support Palestine. Enhanced_deficit specifically said he supports expelling innocent civilians from Israel because they're Jewish, and spreads absurd lies about Israel's crimes (not to say they don't do horrible things, btw), lies that Jews control ISIS, denies the Holocaut, etc. If you don't see this as anti-Semitic, but as just legitimate criticism of Israel, then you're blind to anti-Semitism. Ppl on this forum gave me an infraction for saying that my family shouldn't be kicked out of their homes. Do you understand that? That's infuriating. I have said repeatedly that I am against the use of infractions; I WANT Palestine supporters like enhanced_deficit to scream loudly that they want to kick out all of Israel's Jews, to expose the anti-Israel movement for what it is. So long as I get infractions, I will use infractions the same way my critics use them against me. Its a very simple, principled fair rule. Period. Its just consistency, within the privately made rules of this website. I think the rules are stupid, but I will use them the way others use them.

Maybe I misinterpreted ZippyJuan's posts, but when tons of ppl here accuse me of being disloyal, or being a Zionist agent, or secretly being another users, that's the context in which I view ZippyJuan's signature which said he was working for the Israeli govt. Calling me a Zionist agent, or disloyal, or secretly another user, its just anti-Semitism; its this crazy idea that someone who cares about Israel is disloyal or dishonest, when I've been completely blunt about my non-interventionist, and non-Zionit, views. If I'm wrong about ZippyJuan specifically, I truly apologize, I love humor way too much to hate someone for joking about Zionism or Jews, if it was just a joke. But it is anti-Semitic humor (lol not complaining, I love anti-Semitic humor), and if its serious, then its just plain anti-Semitism. If I'm getting an infraction for responding to ppl like enhanced_deficit calling for my own family members to be expelled from their homes, and for denying the Holocaust, then they're getting infractions too.

If you cannot see that enhanced_deficit is on this forum for the primary purpose of spreading hate and lies regarding Israel and Jews, AND that his threads are then the basis for all the "legitimate" criticism of Israel (fueled by ignorance about Palestine's genocidal fanaticism, just read about it for ten seconds if you don't believe me), then you're blind. I've decribed Israel's crimes, past and present, repeatedly to make a point about where Im coming from on this topic; despite this, I have been demonized or rdiculed, and received infractions, simply for responding to enhanced_deficit lying that Jews serretly control ISIS, an ddenying the Holocaust, and Jews being behind the Paris attacks. This forum has a massive, massive, anti-Semitism, and it will continue so long as you consider the ethnic cleansing of Jews to be a position that I can't criticize. Whn you guys say I'm too obsessed with this, you're telling me I can;t be passionate about enhanced_deficit supporting the ethnic cleansing of my family.

 

[RJB]

No, you guys have an incredibly high tolerance for crazy anti-Semites on these forum,

I stopped reading here.

No, we have a incredibly low tolerance for people who can't discuss an issue without getting overly emotional. The fact that you accused Zippy of being a stormfronter is testament to this.

 

[tod evans]

Whiners gonna whine..........

 

[Zippyjuan]

Maybe I misinterpreted ZippyJuan's posts, but when tons of ppl here accuse me of being disloyal, or being a Zionist agent, or secretly being another users, that's the context in which I view ZippyJuan's signature which said he was working for the Israeli govt. Calling me a Zionist agent, or disloyal, or secretly another user, its just anti-Semitism; its this crazy idea that someone who cares about Israel is disloyal or dishonest, when I've been completely blunt about my non-interventionist, and non-Zionit, views. If I'm wrong about ZippyJuan specifically, I truly apologize, I love humor way too much to hate someone for joking about Zionism or Jews,

Thank you for saying so. The sig is not mine but is being used by somebody else and the line was a joke. It was followed by saying I had hundreds of posts on the topic (obviously I don't if one checks my history). Unfortunately others who only see the sig miss the rest of it. This is just an online forum- I don't take anything personally. In this thread I was trying to see where a particular poster drew the line between "acceptable" groups.

 

[OReich]

I stopped reading here.

No, we have a incredibly low tolerance for people who can't discuss an issue without getting overly emotional. The fact that you accused Zippy of being a stormfronter is testament to this.

Enhanced_deficit says Israel controls ISIS, was behind the Paris attacks, and that Israeli Jews (like my relatives) should be expelled on a case-by-case basis based on their ancestry. Are you saying this is legitimate, non-bigoted criticism of Israel?

Its a simple question.

Are you saying I'm too passionate, but enhanced_deficit isn't too passionate for saying ISIS is controlled by Israel, and that my family should be expelled from their homes in Israel? Is that what you're saying? I'm going too far? But that enhanced_deficit is not going too far? I've said repeatedly I'm not a Zionist and disagree with a lot of what Israel does, but you deliberately stopped reading my post so you couldn't get that far, so you could continue to convince yourself that I'm just being uptight about "any criticism of Israel." Enhanced_deficit starts thread after thread demonizing Israel, and he supports expelling my own relatives, and then I get criticized for being obsessed with my family members. Its an embarrassment to the "liberty movement." Saying my family members should not be kicked out of their homes is NOT defending everything Israel does, or calling all of its critics anti-Semites. Wake up!

 

[RJB]

Passionate? I am passionate, I just try not to get emotional and personalize stuff.

I've never seen anyone call for the genocide of Israelis. Most people on the forum however are against arming all sides in that conflict. It's insanity and it results in some corporations getting rich off the deaths over there. As for your family, I don't think they should give land back anymore than Americans should give land back to the American Indians. However, I don't want my tax dollars nor the blood of my children involved in that mess in the Middle East that we only make worse.

Are you saying I'm too passionate, but enhanced_deficit isn't too passionate for saying ISIS is controlled by Israel, and that my family should be expelled from their homes in Israel? Is that what you're saying? I'm going too far? But that enhanced_deficit is not going too far? I've said repeatedly I'm not a Zionist and disagree with a lot of what Israel does, but you deliberately stopped reading my post so you couldn't get that far, so you could continue to convince yourself that I'm just being uptight about "any criticism of Israel." Enhanced_deficit starts thread after thread demonizing Israel, and he supports expelling my own relatives, and then I get criticized for being obsessed with my family members. Its an embarrassment to the "liberty movement." Saying my family members should not be kicked out of their homes is NOT defending everything Israel does, or calling all of its critics anti-Semites. Wake up!

 

[Dr.3D]

Are you saying I'm too passionate, but enhanced_deficit isn't too passionate for saying ISIS is controlled by Israel, and that my family should be expelled from their homes in Israel? Is that what you're saying? I'm going too far? But that enhanced_deficit is not going too far? I've said repeatedly I'm not a Zionist and disagree with a lot of what Israel does, but you deliberately stopped reading my post so you couldn't get that far, so you could continue to convince yourself that I'm just being uptight about "any criticism of Israel." Enhanced_deficit starts thread after thread demonizing Israel, and he supports expelling my own relatives, and then I get criticized for being obsessed with my family members. Its an embarrassment to the "liberty movement." Saying my family members should not be kicked out of their homes is NOT defending everything Israel does, or calling all of its critics anti-Semites. Wake up!

I noticed Enhanced_deficit doing that for some time. I've seen a lot of hate for the country of Israel here in these forums and it's disgusting. I doubt anything is going to change that so I've given up going in that direction. A lot of people have been banned for defending the country of Israel, while others are here spreading propaganda against Eretz Yisrael Hashlemah.

I doubt you can ever balance the scales.

 

[OReich]

Passionate? I am passionate, I just try not to get emotional and personalize stuff.

I've never seen anyone call for the genocide of Israelis. Most people on the forum however are against arming all sides in that conflict. It's insanity and it results in some corporations getting rich off the deaths over there. As for your family, I don't think they should give land back anymore than Americans should give land back to the American Indians. However, I don't want my tax dollars nor the blood of my children involved in that mess in the Middle East that we only make worse.

I shouldn't personalize the fact that enhanced_deficit thinks my family should be kicked out? How could I not personalize that? And I love how you say you haven't seen anyone calling for genocide. Its like how ppl judge Islamic radicals, "Oh they only want to expel the Jews, or put gays in prison; they don't want to kill them like ISIS!!! So don't get so passionate about it!" Your response to enhanced_deficit calling for the expulsion of my family is "Don't personalize it; I haven't seen anyone say they're going to kill them!" Lol this is exactly why I find this topic infuriating and hilarious at the same time. You're telling me to be content with expulsion of my family.

And why did you say my family shouldn't "give land back?" They're not on stolen land. Israel stole enough land that you're allowed to speculate on theft lol, I'm just making a point. Just because extremists like enhanced_deficit want my family expelled, it doesn't mean its a response to land theft. Islamic dictatorships "invaded Israel" the day Israel declared its existence in 1948 (whether thats a country or an invasion is semantics), promising to kick out or kill all of its Jews, and they kicked out far more Jews and stole far more land than Israel did, just in the 20th century; this was before Israel stole an inch of land. The invasion of Israel and attempted expulsion of its Jews was a horrible, illegal, unethical response to Israel's (horrible, illegal and unethical) invention, not a response to theft of individuals' land. If the war against Israel was a response to stealing Muslims' private property, then there would be no war with Israel. Do you assume that every Muslim living in Jordan, Iraq, Morocco, Algeria and Syria is living on land stolen from Jews? No, because Jews don't constantly call for the destruction of Muslim states, and expulsion of their ppl, as a response to land theft, so you never heard how Muslim states stole more land from Jews during the exact same period. Literally half of Israel's Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries in the 20th century, or their parents or grandparents were.

 

[RJB]

I only stated that I don't want one drop of my children's blood or a dime of my tax money going over there to make matters worse. I am neither against you nor the Palestinians, but for some reason you want me to take a side. I trust nothing that the media shows me from that region-- It's there to benefit the Military Industrial Complex. So, why should I feel compelled to choose a side?

I shouldn't personalize the fact that enhanced_deficit thinks my family should be kicked out? How could I not personalize that? And I love how you say you haven't seen anyone calling for genocide. Its like how ppl judge Islamic radicals, "Oh they only want to expel the Jews, or put gays in prison; they don't want to kill them like ISIS!!! So don't get so passionate about it!" Your response to enhanced_deficit calling for the expulsion of my family is "Don't personalize it; I haven't seen anyone say they're going to kill them!" Lol this is exactly why I find this topic infuriating and hilarious at the same time. You're telling me to be content with expulsion of my family. LMFAO!!!

And why did you say my family shouldn't "give land back?" They're in Tel Aviv, that was built ground up by Israel. Israel stole enough land that you're allowed to speculate on theft, lol, I'm just making a point. Just because extremists like enhanced_deficit want my family expelled, it doesn't mean its a response to land theft. Islamic dictatorships "invaded Israel" the day Israel declared its existence (whether thats a country or an invasion is semantics), promising to kick out or kill all of its Jews, and they kicked out far more Jews, and stole far more land, than Israel did, just in the 20th century; this was before Israel stole an inch of land. The destruction of Israel and expulsion of its Jews is a horrible, illegal, unethical response to Israel's (horrible, illegal and unethical) invention, not a response to theft of individuals' land. If the war against Israel was a response to stealing Muslims' private property, then there would be no war with Israel. Oh and by the way, creating all of Israel's Islamist dictatorships in the same year, 1948, was also illegal, horrible and unethical; they didn't have a moral highground or a license to attack Israel endlessly. Do you assume that every Muslim living in Jordan, Iraq and Syria is living on land stolen from Jews? No, because Jews don't constantly call for the destruction of Muslim states, and expulsion of their ppl, as a response to land theft, so you never heard how Muslim states stole more land from Jews during the exact same period, and you also never heard that many of my relatives (who you tell me not to care about too much) were kicked out of Muslim dictatorships. Literally half of Israel's Jews were kicked out of Muslim countries in the 20th century, or their parents or grandparents were.

 

[OReich]

I only stated that I don't want one drop of my children's blood or a dime of my tax money going over there to make matters worse. I am neither against you nor the Palestinians, but for some reason you want me to take a side. I trust nothing that the media shows me from that region-- It's there to benefit the Military Industrial Complex. So, why should I feel compelled to choose a side?

Nononononono, you're dodging and ignoring what I said, while putting words in my mouth. I have ALWAYS said our govt should be non-interventionist. You said that I was "personalizing" an argument wherein an RFP member said my family members should be kicked out. You're actually accusing me of being too passionate about my family being kicked out of their homes, as if that makes me interventionist. But you DO NOT say that enhanced_deficit was making things too personal, or bigoted, or interventionist, for calling for my family to be expelled. I didn't personalize anything. I'm allowed to care passionately about someone saying my family should be expelled. Lol you literally responded to ethnic cleansing with "Oh well, he didn't say kill them!" You have an incredibly high level of tolerance for Jew-hatred, or just a blindness to it. Lol "He just said kick them out, not kill them, calm down!"

 

[phill4paul]

I only stated that I don't want one drop of my children's blood or a dime of my tax money going over there to make matters worse. I am neither against you nor the Palestinians, but for some reason you want me to take a side. I trust nothing that the media shows me from that region-- It's there to benefit the Military Industrial Complex. So, why should I feel compelled to choose a side?

^^^This. I'm neither "for" nor "Again'". I, honestly, don't give a fuck as long as American blood and treasure are not spent in entangling alliances. If Israel was invaded and overthrown tomorrow I might commiserate with OReich at the loss of family member. But, I wouldn't for one minute think that we should have lifted a finger, except in a diplomatic way, to have intervened.

 

[Suzanimal]

Nononononono, you're dodging and ignoring what I said, while putting words in my mouth. I have ALWAYS said our govt should be non-interventionist. You said that I was "personalizing" an argument wherein an RFP member said my family members should be kicked out. You're actually accusing me of being too passionate about my family being kicked out of their homes, as if that makes me interventionist. But you DO NOT say that enhanced_deficit was making things too personal, or bigoted, or interventionist, for calling for my family to be expelled. I didn't personalize anything. I'm allowed to care passionately about someone saying my family should be expelled. Lol you literally responded to ethnic cleansing with "Oh well, he didn't say kill them!" You have an incredibly high level of tolerance for Jew-hatred, or just a blindness to it. Lol "He just said kick them out, not kill them, calm down!

It would be helpful if you would quote the post you're referring to - enhanced_deficit's, that is.

 

[RJB]

Nononononono, you're dodging and ignoring what I said, while putting words in my mouth. I have ALWAYS said our govt should be non-interventionist. You said that I was "personalizing" an argument wherein an RFP member said my family members should be kicked out. You're actually accusing me of being too passionate about my family being kicked out of their homes, as if that makes me interventionist. But you DO NOT say that enhanced_deficit was making things too personal, or bigoted, or interventionist, for calling for my family to be expelled. I didn't personalize anything. I'm allowed to care passionately about someone saying my family should be expelled. Lol you literally responded to ethnic cleansing with "Oh well, he didn't say kill them!" You have an incredibly high level of tolerance for Jew-hatred, or just a blindness to it. Lol "He just said kick them out, not kill them, calm down!

I haven't seen all of Enhanced deficit's posts. I've seen him more as an anti-interventionalist. I've never seen him say that he wanted to kick your family out. I only mentioned something to you because you complained of an infraction and people rarely get in trouble here unless they insult someone else. If I'm wrong on either count, I'll back out and you have my apology.

 

[OReich]

It would be helpful if you would quote the post you're referring to - enhanced_deficit's, that is.

enhanced_deficit: where do you think Israel's Jews should go?

First question is, how many are from there originally and how many are migrants persecuted out of judeo-christian western civilizations of New York, London, Miami, LA, Germany, Paris, Poland, Russia etc?
How many of them have occupied lands/homes of 4-6 millions Palestinians who are refugees abroad as a result of Israeli wars for freedom/racial equality?

Then this should be handled on case by case basis.

He's also posted a bunch of different posts and threads accusing Israel of controlling ISIS. The fact you'll criticize me for how I talk about this subject, while having this high level of scrutiny about enhanced_deficit, is incredible. Have you EVER said, even ONCE, that enhanced_deficit goes too far on this? No, never. This forum has a massive, massive, massive blind spot for anti-Semitism.

LOl RJB responded to ethnic cleansing with, "well he didn't say genocide." I love you ppl, you're so much fun. Its like the world never changes. He didn't say KILL your family, just KICK THEM OUT. Calm down, man, don't be "interventionist" and say out loud that your family shouldn't be expelled!

To RonPaulForums.com, "Jews should not be expelled from their homes simply for being Jewish" is an interventionist statement. Lol and when enhanced_deficit calls for Israel to be destroyed and its ppl expelled? You think he's a NON-INTERVENTIONIST! To you guys, expelling the Jews is what a non-interventionist does.

 

[RJB]

LOl RJB

No, LOL @ RJB for even stepping in this thread. Have fun.