Reason Magazine supports forced vaccinations; "no libertarian case for vaccine refusal"

[Christian Liberty]

The "Fiscally conservative/socially liberal" bit is not helping.

I meant to quote "compromise" here, not you.

 

[compromise]

The "Fiscally conservative/socially liberal" bit is not helping.

Yeah, or "free markets, free minds" as Reason say. Just saying that stuff alienates both conservatives and liberals instantly.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Yeah, or "free markets, free minds" as Reason say. Just saying that stuff alienates both conservatives and liberals instantly.

But they always have a great quote for the New York Times or Washington Post to justify government. The asshole in the leather jacket is always great when he's getting pummeled by blithering idiots on the Bill Maher show too.

 

[moostraks]

Haven't there been cases of people winning damages for STD transmission? I don't think this is any different really.


I don't think you could get it through criminal court, as it would be hard to prove that the infection passed directly from person A to person B. But civil court would probably award some damages.

It's different in that the vaccinated have received a product that has not performed as it was sold to have performed. So the responsibility rests on the vaccine manufacturer to pay for damages.

 

[brandon]

It's different in that the vaccinated have received a product that has not performed as it was sold to have performed. So the responsibility rests on the vaccine manufacturer to pay for damages.

Vaccines, like condoms, don't claim 100% effectiveness rates.

 

[Ender]

Vaccines, like condoms, don't claim 100% effectiveness rates.

Then another reason that no one should be advocating force.

 

[T.hill]

But they always have a great quote for the New York Times or Washington Post to justify government. The asshole in the leather jacket is always great when he's getting pummeled by blithering idiots on the Bill Maher show too.

Nick Gillespie? He handled Bill Maher and Rachel Maddow extremely well, mopped the floor with em.

 

[Contumacious]

Reason Magazine says that there is "no principled libertarian case for vaccine refusal," in Ronald Bailey's "pragmatic argument for coercive vaccination."

I thoroughly debunk this tripe and set the record straight on libertarianism. Reason has a faction of militant "science" promoters who care absolutely nothing about liberty.

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What is the difference between preventing you from shooting at me or mine with a firearm or preventing you from infecting me with a communicable disease while at a public place?

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[Keith and stuff]

Reason magazine is all over the place. Seems that they cater to corporate donors at times.

That's a great point.

Reason is worse than Bloomberg on this issue. At least he let's people opt out for religious reasons.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/health&id=9355853

NEW YORK (WABC) -- New York City will soon require young children who go to preschool or day care to get flu shots.

The Board of Health voted Wednesday in favor of the mandatory vaccine for children under 6.

Health officials say the measure will save lives. And Dr. Jay Varma, deputy commissioner for disease control, says the measure could keep as many as 20,000 city kids from getting sick.

The initiative takes effect in 30 days. The vaccine will be required for about 150,000 children.

Parents may opt out for medical and religious reasons.

"We estimate that 10 to 25,000 kids won't suffer the flu because of that vaccine . For every 100 kids under the age of 5, 40 of them will get sick in any year from the flu," said Dr. Jay Varma, Deputy Commissioner for Disease Control for New York City.

 

[Ender]

What is the difference between preventing you from shooting at me or mine with a firearm or preventing you from infecting me with a communicable disease while at a public place?

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2 different kinds of "force".

Why don't we castrate you, in case you might rape someone?

 

[ravedown]

it was pointed out on another site that not long after that article was published, an "anonymous source" donated $50k to Reason's fundraiser. not hard to connect the dots....hey, gotta keep the lights on you know.

 

[Contumacious]

2 different kinds of "force".

Why don't we castrate you,

I can not be castrated my nuts are made out of steel.

in case you might rape someone?

Incorrect it is the SAME FORCE

Are you saying that if you are coughing your lungs out at WalMart that you are not going to infect me with an airborne communicable disease?

A communicable disease is an illness transmitted through contact with microorganisms. People, animals, food, surfaces, and air can all be carriers of the microorganisms that pass infectious illnesses from one host to the next. The exchange of fluids or contact with a contaminated substance or individual may be enough to allow a communicable disease to spread.

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[ObiRandKenobi]

what an ahole

 

[bolil]

I can not be castrated my nuts are made out of steel.




Incorrect it is the SAME FORCE

Are you saying that if you are coughing your lungs out at WalMart that you are not going to infect me with an airborne communicable disease?



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No, but I guess I am saying that by going to Walmart you are willingly exposing yourself to pathogens. Shit, you do that everytime you breathe. Solution? Ban breath. smh. It is possible YOU are the carried of a disease. Only one way to find out. Comply and you'll be okay, maybe, now get ready for the needle.

"Grab that man, he has a runny nose!" they exclaimed, "and put him in a cage." If you eat chips you are a public health hazard. You might get fat, and then kids will see you all fat and shit and think its okay. Solution? Incarcerate chubby people. RIght? Man, I don't like how you drivers pollute my air with carcinogens, guess Ill use state power to take your keys.

 

[Ender]

I can not be castrated my nuts are made out of steel.




Incorrect it is the SAME FORCE

Are you saying that if you are coughing your lungs out at WalMart that you are not going to infect me with an airborne communicable disease?



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Dude- this I know:

If YOU were coughing your lungs out at WalMart that you would NOT infect me with an airborne communicable disease, and if you did, I'd soon be over it. I am healthy and do not succumb to illness.

Also- vaccines are BS. The AMA & Big Pharma distort to make it seem like they cure when they do not. Smallpox, for instance, was not wiped out by vaccine. It was wiped out by clean living. Countries that did not vaccinate had almost NO deaths because of smallpox, as compared to countries that used the vaccine and had 10's of 1000's of deaths.

If you want to vaccinated, go for it; you try and force me and mine and we'll have a serious problem.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Uhhhhh....

If the person that contacts the disease is already vaccinated, then sue Big Pharma. If they are not vaccinated, then they made the same choice as the person with the disease, who was not vaccinated.

That always gets dodged by the vaxxers.

I should be able to sneeze a snotload of mucus teeming with disease into your face, and the vaccine should prevent you from getting sick.

Right?

 

[Anti Federalist]

What is the difference between preventing you from shooting at me or mine with a firearm or preventing you from infecting me with a communicable disease while at a public place?

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There is no vaccine for the common cold.

Are you going to start shooting people for sneezing?

See?

Even "freedom folks" are not immune to the desire to push other people around.

Fed.

Entertained.

Exercise petty power over their fellow men.

 

[Contumacious]

No, but I guess I am saying that by going to Walmart you are willingly exposing yourself to pathogens. )

So , from your standpoint , spreading infectious diseases is an individual right?

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[dannno]

So , from your standpoint , spreading infectious diseases is an individual right?

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If you could prove that somebody purposely placed a pathogen in some sort of container or something and delivered it to your for the express purpose of getting sick then no.

If you are asking if I am allowed to live my life and travel and come into contact with people voluntarily and those same people can voluntarily not associate themselves with me, then yes.

 

[angelatc]

That always get dodged by the vaxxers.

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No it does not always get dodged by the pro-science crowd. It's just that the anti-science crowd apparently stick their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALALA every time it's explained why it isn't actually that simple.

Then about a day later, they again state, "That always gets dodged by the vaxxers," pretending that nobody ever thought of THAT before.

It is one of the most annoying things about the blatant dishonesty in the cult that I can think of.