*READ THIS* The Whole Story So Far

[billybigrigger]

*Updated (RP HQ article)*

In order to get some things straight we may need to go through this. Im not saying I'm in the know, this is just what I've seen....

The story so far:

Yahoo posts this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_po/on_the2008_trail_7 on Thursday evening.

The ap makes this http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNxTApa2sQRu0Xx99P3jt2bEXw7gD8TQ2N282 report regarding the forum event, the attendees, and quotes from NH GOP on Thursday as well. (Which came first? Yahoo or AP?).

Union Leader posts this: http://www.unionleader.com/article....rticleId=141a7c52-a168-4f70-9497-8230e7309e9e But this only hints at the Jan 6th event, and confuses things a bit by also mentioning another forum occuring on the 6th at a brunch event. However this would seam to corroberate as at least a second source, some of the information in the AP report.

A couple of blogs pick it up (lost the links), Chris Brunner at Lewrockwell.com picks up on the story.

Jane Aitken from dailypaul.com OPPOSES any action, posts a cease and desist blog article, and urges FULL STOP until she said she could confirm with NH GOP and RP HQ.

Chris retracted the story on LRC after conversing with Jane via email. (Which ended up being unnecessary, her claims were based on an invite she said she had but did not actually exist -Brunner)

Jane and others (Chris Brunner LRC editor, and posters here claiming to be incontact with HQ) then get official word that RP has not been invited to such an event. Apparently according to those same people, RP HQ has been in contact with NH GOP and they report that NH GOP is working to get RP included, hence all the "OFFICIAL: DO NOT CALL NH GOP" threads and blog posts regarding this.

RP HQ releases this: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/94/has-fox-news-excluded-ron-paul

dailypaul, LRC, and others put out the story.

Epic Thread ensues. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=67218&highlight=%2Fberserk

Chris Brunner and others apparently close to the campaign post on ronpaulforums (see first sticky and other older threads) regarding the situation and Chris puts out his account of events HERE: http://www.chrisbrunner.com/2007/12...ul-is-being-excluded-from-the-fox-news-debate.

Boston.com publishes RP quote: http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2007/12/paul_fox_news_i.html

The Seattle PI picks up on the AP report: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/345194_gop28.html

Baltimore Sun picks up the whole story to this point: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_outfoxed.html

Linked info is confirmed as incorrect!A nolanchart blog seems to (wrongly) refute the current story (based on an outdated UL article that was incorrect in the first place -Brunner). http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html But the blog is considered unreliable and the source of information outdated by 3 WEEKS!

Linked info is confirmed as incorrect!WND Posts this http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59442 article, seemingly based on the same info as the nolanchart blog

This post by Jane Aitken seems to further confirm the RP exclusion story indirectly.... http://www.dailypaul.com/node/18338

Blog post by Kent Snyder summing up the situation: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/12/30/index.html

Linked info is confirmed as incorrect!Prison Planet is well behind the curve and picks up the false report on nolanchart: http://prisonplanet.com/articles/december2007/301207_debate.htm

Chicago Tribune, (Washington): http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_indeed_outfoxed_for_n.html

And now for your viewing pleasure: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DCAYRWIcPKQ

Nolanchart FINALLY corrected:http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html

CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/31/debate.limits.ap/
gambling911: http://digg.com/politics/Ron_Paul_supporters_could_cause_huge_losses_for_Fox_News
Nashua Telegrah: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080101/NEWS02/960454007/-1/OPINION02
Concord Monitor: http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080101/FRONTPAGE/801010332/1043/NEWS01

*UPDATE*
RP HQ Blog by Kent Snyder: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/12/has-fox-news--2.html
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Confirmation sources for this story so far:

1) The Associated Press (Dec 27th wire)
2) NH Union Leader (Dec 27th, quoting Giuliani campaign)
3) Baltimore Sun (Dec 29th, quoting NH GOP official)
3) NH GOP (via telephone)
4) Fox News (via telephone)
5) RP campaign (several sources in and close to the campaign)
6) RP Campaign Chairman Kent Snyder's own blog
7) Chicago Tribune
8) Fox TV Affiliate
9) CNN


Another excellent post summing up the story so far: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=68488

Some words from some who are in the know:

The campaign issued a press release:
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/94/has-fox-news-excluded-ron-paul
Paul himself commented on it:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/primarysource/2007/12/paul_fox_news_i.html

(if you were looking for names, here you go)....

Alright the family chased stuff down for us and called me back. Carol Paul was in the room and helping to clarify what they know.

They talked to Jesse Benton who confirms that Jared Chicoine, the official campaign's NH coordinator, spoke to the NH GOP as recently as last evening and the word the official campaign is still getting from the NH GOP is that:

1) There is a NH forum on the 6th
2) Fox controls who is going to be invited
3) Other candidates have been invited, but Ron Paul has not been and will not be

There are still reportedly "games being played" and details may not all be final and this is the reason we don't have this thing listed anywhere concretely. But our campaign IS getting their info verified before they announce it, and they are definitely being told by the NH GOP that this is the situation. People suspect Fox is playing a game here to make the campaign look bad but so far think the NH GOP is helping us and not hurting us.


MOVING ON, the campaign is not currently planning any kind of counter rally, though they are working on something which I will call "bigger" but can't talk about yet. However, people should not plan to fly to NH just to attend a counter rally; Jesse's phrase was "spend your money smarter ways". That having been said they confirm they definitely need more boots on the ground in NH and if you have the time and money to get there and help campaign, DO IT.

Now, I still see some people questioning this whole situation (at this point im not sure why), so, ok I'll bite. Lets think for a minute. What would be needed in order for this whole story to be a ruse.

Either:

a) A false report by AP and Yahoo falsley quoting NH GOP chairman

OR

b) A deliberate lie by NH GOP chairman accurately reported by the AP and Yahoo.


If a is true, then i would expect an EXTREMELY hasty retraction from AP and/or Yahoo, or if they are complicit, they deserve the fallout IMO.
If b is true, then all hell is going to break loose.

c)If either a or b are true, the campaign HQ was incompetant and reckless with its press release.

But also keep in mind the work of Jane, Chris, and others who reported that the NH GOP was working with RP HQ, and that they had confirmed this with RP HQ.

THEREFORE if a or b is true, and c is true, then Jane Aitken, Chris Brunner, and Lew Rockwell.com (as well as jblosser, menthol_patch, and brunner on this site) are all double agents misrepresenting the situation to RP HQ and duping them into releasing the press release and RP interview.



(At this point consensus is that this is correct occurence of events. Post errors and I will edit to reflect. Also im trying to track down links to original early blogs and news pages. Also if there is interest I will edit to reflect subsequent stories and developments seen here on the forums)

Thanks to brunner

 

[BeFranklin]

Screenshot From Fox News Station broadcast at:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DCAYRWIcPKQ

Thread Wins, way to go billybigrigger

 

[billybigrigger]

we are vindicated!!! "look maw, I is on the tee vee"

 

[liberty_Forever]

This is a good analysis and is congruent with my information. And his name is Chris Brunner, not Brummer.

 

[billybigrigger]

edit made

 

[Unspun]

Lew Rockwell IS NOT a double agent... lol....

 

[Ozwest]

And the conclusion is...

 

[Thor]

thanks for the chain of events...

I would think if HQ made a press release about it, it is true. If not, it will have blowback...

 

[brunner]

Post removed. Requested corrections were made to the timeline in the original post.

 

[rfbz]

Maybe the debate was never set in stone..it was in the works and the ap jumped the gun a little. While the debate was getting in the works, Fox News was snubbing the RP campaign and not communicating well, which is why RP HQ issued that release.

 

[billybigrigger]

or they were trying to keep the lid on the story?

 

[liberty_Forever]

Yes, that is closer to the truth.


The existence of the Jan 6th Fox forums have been confirmed by numerous sources, included 3 "official" media outlets (AP, Baltimore Sun, NH Union Leader) , as well as various supporter telephone calls to Fox and NH GOP.

 

[newbitech]

Maybe the debate was never set in stone..it was in the works and the ap jumped the gun a little. While the debate was getting in the works, Fox News was snubbing the RP campaign and not communicating well, which is why RP HQ issued that release.

bingo

imagine trying to get all the candidates together in one place in the middle of elections!

add to that its Chris "marching orders from al queda" Wallace running the show!

and of course the N.H. GOP being more focused on their own shindigs in N.H.

and of course the intensity of the grassroots stretching from quark to quasar.

oh and the campaign being focused on winning Iowa first.

and a silly little media leaker on Christmas vacation sipping to much of grandma's eggnog.

and then Mentol Patch's "I love Ron Paul" beeper going off.

yeah, this is it! Its time to WIN this thing! We are totally immersed! I love it! All good signs!

 

[pacelli]

I don't put it past Murdoch's CIA buddies to concoct some fake AP story to sidetrack us from our mission.

Of course they'll do an excellent job making us look like "loons" by completely denying the debate ever existed. But you know, even if they take that tactic, it will look very badly for them. This story has already gone viral to the point where people have been set off. It is *just like Fox* to pull this kind of thing, and if they deny the forum's existence I can see some serious blowback for them.

 

[billybigrigger]

If this is the case and Chris and others helped break this story before Fox was ready then I applaud them.

 

[liberty_Forever]

The Jan 6th Fox-brokered 'forum' was mentioned by

1) The Associated Press (Dec 27th wire)
2) NH Union Leader (Dec 27th, quoting Giuliani campaign)
3) Baltimore Sun (Dec 29th, quoting NH GOP official)
3) NH GOP (via telephone)
4) Fox News (via telephone)
5) RP campaign


AP article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_po/on_the2008_trail_7
NH Union Leader: http://www.unionleader.com/article....rticleId=141a7c52-a168-4f70-9497-8230e7309e9e
Baltimore Sun:
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_paul_outfoxed.html
Fergus Cullen (via telephone, AP, and Union Leader quotes)
Journalist and Supporter telephone calls to NH GOP and FOX

So don't let anyone try to tell you this is a big internet mistake, because it's not. As someone posted earlier either the AP owes a retraction or Fergus Cullen is misleading us.

LETS FOCUS ON WINNING IOWA AND NH!

 

[brunner]

I don't put it past Murdoch's CIA buddies to concoct some fake AP story to sidetrack us from our mission.

Of course they'll do an excellent job making us look like "loons" by completely denying the debate ever existed. But you know, even if they take that tactic, it will look very badly for them. This story has already gone viral to the point where people have been set off. It is *just like Fox* to pull this kind of thing, and if they deny the forum's existence I can see some serious blowback for them.

They haven't denied it, that I know of, and the people I spoke to tonight (one of whom helped found the Ron Paul campaign with Kent Snyder) confirms that it's absolutely true that a) The forum is scheduled and will be aired by Fox and b) Ron Paul is not invited

 

[Menthol Patch]

They haven't denied it, that I know of, and the people I spoke to tonight (one of whom helped found the Ron Paul campaign with Kent Snyder) confirms that it's absolutely true that a) The forum is scheduled and will be aired by Fox and b) Ron Paul is not invited

Brunner,

Please post EXACTLY what was said to you!

It's obvious that the Fox News Forum on Jan. 6th is indeed real and going to happen, but there are some people who are still doubting it. Would you please provide us with what EXACTLY you were told?

 

[brunner]

Brunner,

Please post EXACTLY what was said to you!

It's obvious that the Fox News Forum on Jan. 6th is indeed real and going to happen, but there are some people who are still doubting it. Would you please provide us with what EXACTLY you were told?

It was a two hour conversation, and we discussed many, many different RP-related subjects. Do you have a more specific question? I'm not trying to be difficult - I just don't know how to sum it all up, or even where to start.

 

[Menthol Patch]

It was a two hour conversation, and we discussed many, many different RP-related subjects. Do you have a more specific question? I'm not trying to be difficult - I just don't know how to sum it all up, or even where to start.

Can we please meet somewhere and chat? We could meet on the Ron Paul Forums chatroom or on the Ron Paul Radio chatroom. I would really appreciate if we could chat. Where would you like to meet?