Re: Johnson / OG paulbot got something to say

[Paulitical Correctness]

Re: Johnson / OG paulbot got something to say

Regardless of your opinion on J/W, anyone who was around for the '08 Ron Paul run has to be at least marginally pleased by the fact that people are taking the time to examine and discuss libertarianism.

The average voter in 2008 asked "what the hell is a libertarian?"

Then in 2012 they said "those libertarians are whackos..."

Now in 2016, someone who incites minimal interest from Ron Paul purists is breaking double digit poll numbers, encouraging enough enthusiasm from first time donors to participate in a money bomb, and making former republicans and democrats take a closer look at their options.

Do you remember discovering Ron Paul? A lot of these Johnson supporters are undergoing the same transformation. Don't rain on their parade because they haven't had the focus and time to further delve into an entirely different political ideology. It all starts with "this guy sure is a breath of fresh air..."

This year's ticket may not be a breath of fresh air to many of us, but it's opening an entirely new block of voters to Ron Paul's version of libertarianism.

Instead of looking at Ron Paul's Liberty movement as this exclusive thing why not find a Johnson supporter and say "hey, you know who's even more awesome than Gary Johnson? Ron Paul."

I've seen hundreds of comments on the GJ Facebook pages that say things like "I've never donated to a political campaign but there's never been a candidate like this before!" and "lifelong republican here proudly casting my vote for Gary". Today they watched with excitement as his money bomb ticker rose. Sound familiar?

Maybe it's disappointing that a better candidate to represent a strong third choice wasn't put forward, but instead of being the typical libertarian pessimist why not take a step back and look at the opportunities that come with it. Ron Paul started all this as a movement of ideas didn't he? I'd say Gary's popularity is an indication that our ideas are winning, not that they have been hijacked.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

 

[Paulitical Correctness]

The point is people are fed up and looking for alternatives. Gary is not the torchbearer for Ron Paul by any means but the fact that people are giving the LP any attention at all is a good thing.

Dismantling the misconception that there are only two legitimate political parties in the country is a huge step in the right direction. I'm not telling you to support Johnson, I'm telling you to see his surge in popularity as an opportunity.

Part of the reason I never came back to these forums was because purists and cynical elitists seemed to undo any progress made. Just today I made a similar comment on another platform about the progress we've made as a whole and the first response was filled with cynicism and profanity.

You can "traitor" this and "nothing like Ron Paul" that all day long. It misses the point.

 

[69360]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

Enough already. Every single thread doesn't need your comments about TPP.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

maybe so, but im not going to vote trump or clinton. this is our only "other" viable choice. he isnt perfect by far, and weld is horrible BUT got any other ideas? we all seriously better consider voting for johnson this one time to at the very least get rid of the other two. johnson is a good starting point if he wins the prez spot. the other two, nope, ...complete garbage and only more of the same, yet i think itll be way worse this time.

also lets not forget that johnson was the ONLY one in a past debate in the GOP that said he would pick ron paul as his vice. i respect him for saying it. the rest never would have and didnt.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

The point is people are fed up and looking for alternatives. Gary is not the torchbearer for Ron Paul by any means but the fact that people are giving the LP any attention at all is a good thing.

Dismantling the misconception that there are only two legitimate political parties in the country is a huge step in the right direction. I'm not telling you to support Johnson, I'm telling you to see his surge in popularity as an opportunity.

Part of the reason I never came back to these forums was because purists and cynical elitists seemed to undo any progress made. Just today I made a similar comment on another platform about the progress we've made as a whole and the first response was filled with cynicism and profanity.

You can "traitor" this and "nothing like Ron Paul" that all day long. It misses the point.

my point as well. johnson is our ONLY other option. he is way better than clinton or trump and would make a very good start to moving liberty forward. im just excited he may get into the debates. that alone might be enough for him to win once he gets to talk against the other two.

this getting into the national debates is the direct effect of our ron paul movements efforts over the last 8 years. if not for ron pauls surge in popularity and what he spoke about, this 3rd man in a debate would NOT be happening as it is now, so yes!, this has something to do with the ron paul movements seeds of liberty.

 

[Paulitical Correctness]

 

[CPUd]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

Take it to the evaluation thread:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?243917-Campaign-Evaluation-Johnson-Weld-Ticket-(POTUS)

 

[eleganz]

Nobody is going to be perfect, I'm just happy third parties are being considered, its happened much faster than I ever thought possible, but then we got the miracle that is Trump this year.

We're never going to get the perfect candidate, the libertarian movement is way too splintered into different factions by level of purity. Nobody is ever going to be happy. GJ is not a bad guy, he has some of the issues wrong but he's right on a lot of things we care about and I'm realistically content with that.

 

[William Tell]

The average voter in 2008 asked "what the hell is a libertarian?"

Johnson/Weld make me ask that now....

 

[specsaregood]

my point as well. johnson is our ONLY other option. he is way better than clinton or trump and would make a very good start to moving liberty forward.

I disagree, he is just as bad if not worse than those other two and represents the death of the LP as anything ever worth supporting.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Enough already. Every single thread doesn't need your comments about TPP.

Yeah, it does. Apparently, you haven't read about it. When are you going to do that?

 

[CPUd]

Yeah, it does. Apparently, you haven't read about it. When are you going to do that?

Perhaps you should make your case why Johnson shouldn't be included in the liberty campaigns subforum :
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?243917-Campaign-Evaluation-Johnson-Weld-Ticket-(POTUS)

 

[RJ Liberty]

Nobody is going to be perfect, I'm just happy third parties are being considered, its happened much faster than I ever thought possible, but then we got the miracle that is Trump this year.

We're never going to get the perfect candidate, the libertarian movement is way too splintered into different factions by level of purity. Nobody is ever going to be happy. GJ is not a bad guy, he has some of the issues wrong but he's right on a lot of things we care about and I'm realistically content with that.

Yep. Johnson's wrong on several issues, but he's right on at least 40 positions. That's good enough for me.

 

[The Gold Standard]

I don't care for Johnson, but I voted for him before, so I won't rain on anyone's parade that wants to do it now.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

It's sad to watch a movement fall on the sword out of desperation, and that's what is happening to the liberty movement right now. I never thought the Ron Paul revolution would turn into a sad, lifeless movement of cowards willing to sell out their principles for a pat on the head from the mainstream media. Beyond tragic.

 

[jllundqu]

Gary has nothing to do with "our ideals", or Ron Paul's. Johnson said he would sign the Trans Pacific Partnership. That makes him a traitor.

Jesus Christ with this traitor thing again..... TPP! TRAITOR!!!! I'm gonna make LE a personal meme to save some freaking time....

 

[Natural Citizen]

Jesus Christ with this traitor thing again..... TPP! TRAITOR!!!! I'm gonna make LE a personal meme to save some freaking time....

But she's right. The TPP is an illegal transfer of power. Patently.

So now we're going to illegally transfer power from the people to the President and special interests behind closed doors in secret while we also send men from the government with guns to force Individuals to relinquish their rights to their property. We're going to force them at gunpoint to relinquish the fundamental principal support that provides for any right of claim to Individual Liberty and Life itself, and we're going to also illegally transfer power from them in secret. In Liberty, we're going to do that.

Yeah. Heh. A real champion of Individual Liberty, that Johnson guy.

But, hey. Fahgettaboudit. Pass the joint around. Flip on some porn. That'll make the pain go away. Party it up, boys. And tell your friends, too. Pay no mind to that gun at the back of your head telling you what to think and what to do. It's there in Liberty

. ..nothing to see there. Move along. Toke toke. Laugh it up.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Btw, the statesman correctly agrees....

 

[Natural Citizen]

Bunch of sellouts around here these days.

The Founders hanged traitors. They wouldn't even have sacrificed the fine workmanship of a slug on them. Nor would they have provided them its common dignity.