Rather than take over the GOP, I would rather destroy it....
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details.
It's not an apple.
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seems when the liberty folks gets a stronger presence in the GOP, the GOP changes or makes new rules to screw those folks over in the future.
making a new party... we'd be the fringe like libertarians, constitutional, green, progressives.
making a new party... we'd be the fringe like libertarians, constitutional, green, progressives.
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one man marching against the state is a lone nutter about to be squashed with the backing of the drones.
how are you going to get numbers to join you?
the founders of the LP thought the same thing in 1971.
We would end up fighting the exact same powers in any party that actually had power. Heck, the establishment already nominated Gingrich-supporter, Bob Barr, for the Libertarian party in 08.
We have a foothold in 7+ states now. It's time to charge and take more ground!
We have a foothold in 7+ states now. It's time to charge and take more ground!
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The Republican Party is shoving itself out on the fringe. Today they chopped one leg off of Reagan's 'three-legged stool', and they didn't do themselves a lot of favors with at least one other. Hell, I do believe the Whig Party was in better shape in 1848.
I don't think this discussion is apples and oranges, or Apple and IBM either. I think the only way to take over the G.O.P. is to gut it and rebuild it. The disease runs so deep it pretty much needs an everythingectomy.
When the walls fall, we can storm it. But from what I saw today, I don't think we're going to succeed before then.
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I'm Glad The American Revolution Fighters didn't say "we can't we would be the fringe"
BTW is was less than 20% That gave us Liberty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm a Tea Party / Liberty conservative voter. Judging by the amount of angry comments against Romney on other websites, ie. Malkin, Rush, Levin, and The Free Republic, I can see a merging of Ron Paul and Tea Party forces in the near future to secure our US Constitution from destruction by the Romney RINO machine.
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if only the masses had your perspective.
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The ONLY thing that keeps me going is you people involved. I'm truly conflicted over what to do. Some days I say I want to leave politics altogether, because I can truthfully say that I was much happier when I was 'politically ignorant.' Other days I feel like I'd be letting too many fellow patriots down if I did that. I won't say I'm inconsistent, but I think of it more as a fierce internal debate that I have to work out.
Damn you, Ron Paul, for waking me up. And at the same time, thank you.
Damn you, Ron Paul, for waking me up. And at the same time, thank you.
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well yea... I still feel like Ron Paul should have started his own party or gone independent.
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Holy fricking dito (if they still say that) Kinda like the matrix, at this point please plug my ass back in.
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Actually I think there is clear evidence that even if the Tea Party wouldn't stand behind Ron Paul himself, they will stand behind liberty candidates like Massie, Amash, Bentivolio, Cruz, etc. A merging of the two movements seems inevitable to me, and hopefully the result will be the tea party backing Rand in 2016, instead of Rubio.
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Well, you know, if we really wanted to help the GOP self-destruct, we should try to take over the Democratic Party. If we did, and that might just be easier to do, we could use it as a club to bludgeon the Republican Party into the ground for good.
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Tea Party voting romney is droves.
might want to send them the memo.
looks more like they objected to a black progressive and would be ok with a white progressive.
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Quitting our activism within the GOP is exactly what the current RNC wants. It's why they did what they did today: Emotional manipulation to depress us and make us shrink away and splinter off into ineffective third parties...because they know that if we stay in this and take over the GOP state parties, they're screwed. They simply do not have the same numbers of people willing to get actively involved in local party politics that we do, and that is why they fear us and desperately try to push us away. Don't fall for it.
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