Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I can understand why they wouldn't think this forum was the best place to have such discussions, since we are actually trying to get someone elected. But, that's no excuse for you being called a stormfronter. It's disgusting. If they had an issue, they should have flagged it for the Mods and taken it to Bryan, if they believed that strongly.

Whether Rand is elected or not, this forum will have (at best) a negligible effect on his campaign. Most people here like Rand; those that don't tend to be doctrinaire ancaps who won't vote for anyone other than Ron Paul (if that). That's why the "shill" accusation is so stupid. Shills for Trump wouldn't be here, they would be on Twitter or somewhere like that, where they could convince fence-sitters. Not many of those around here.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

What's the matter, big man. Did you skip 1st grade when they taught what the question mark meant?


Make me, big boy. You don't own these forums.


Then you had better figure out how to get away from yourself.

I'm not the one lying on people with the sadistic intent to cause them hurt, that would be you. I am a man of principle. I have held my same principles now for 30 years. I have not changed, neither in principle nor in practice. You loved me when you agreed with me, and now that you disagree with me, you freak the fk out and are lying about me and desperately trying to cause me harm and pain. That is not the sign of a rational or balanced person.

I do not lie about people to hurt them, but you do, and it's disgusting. I am not a sadist, you are, and you should repent. The Lord God will not look very kindly on your bearing false witness against people with the deliberate intent to make them hurt and cause them harm.

I do not enjoy seeing people hurt, but you seem to glee at the thought of hurting those who you disagree with. You have become an embarrassment to the liberty movement, and frankly it would be very beneficial to the Ron Paul movement as a whole if you went full neocon and started embarrassing them for a while instead.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm not the one lying on people with the sadistic intent to cause them hurt, that would be you. I am a man of principle. I have held my same principles now for 30 years. I have not changed, neither in principle nor in practice. You loved me when you agreed with me, and now that you disagree with me, you freak the fk out and are lying about me and desperately trying to cause me harm and pain. That is not the sign of a rational or balanced person.

I do not lie about people to hurt them, but you do, and it's disgusting. I am not a sadist, you are, and you should repent. The Lord God will not look very kindly on your lying about people with the deliberate intent to make them hurt and cause them harm.

I do not enjoy seeing people hurt, but you seem to glee at the thought of hurting those who you disagree with. You have become an embarrassment to the liberty movement, and frankly it would be very beneficial to the Ron Paul movement as a whole if you went full neocon and started embarrassing them for a while instead.

You need to learn how to read. That might solve your problem. Don't know. But, it might.

You are creating issues out of thin air, Gunny. I asked you a question. You misinterpreted it as a statement. If you go back and read it, you might get it. You have a problem with me saying that if Rand does not win the nomination, that the way things stand now, if Trump wins the nomination, that I will vote for him in the General. You didn't like it, so I asked you if you preferred Bush, or something like that. What I meant was that, in my opinion, Bush is no better. I hope a miracle occurs and Rand is able to win the nomination. But, if he doesn't, I think we will be getting Trump or Bush. If that's the case, I prefer Trump over Bush. Thus, my question to you.

You misunderstood and proceeded to throw a royal temper tantrum like a little child.

 

[acptulsa]

Who has shown their true colors is some of you guys. Just wow. What the hell happened to you? You seriously need to take a break. This isn't like you.

Bullshit. I'm doing nothing to these Trumpchumps that I didn't do to thousands of Obamabots who came here trying to convince me to abandon my principles in the desperate hope for a little chump change.

You, meanwhile, would have banned this lot in a moment back then, and brooked no questions about it. So don't tell me who has changed.

The people causing the most problem though, in my opinion, are the ones highlighting it ad nauseum. Because they are giving it more light than it otherwise would have had.

Let the bullshit stand right in our own house in the vain hope that fewer people will notice it?

No. That's not why I'm here. If you want to see bullshit go unanswered, tune into Fox.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You need to learn how to read. That might solve your problem. Don't know. But, it might.

Do you actually believe that I am illiterate? Or are you bearing false witness against me, yet again? Is this how you act in your everyday life?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Who has shown their true colors is some of you guys. Just wow. What the hell happened to you? You seriously need to take a break. This isn't like you.

You are clearly the one who has changed. Someone tickles your ears the right way and you abandon all those principles you used to claim at the drop of a hat. Some book somewhere written long ago had something to say about that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Bullshit. I'm doing nothing to these Trumpchumps that I didn't do to thousands of Obamabots who came here trying to convince me to abandon my principles in the desperate hope for a little chump change.

You, meanwhile, would have banned this lot in a moment back then, and brooked no questions about it. So don't tell me who has changed.

I see no "lot", besides AuH20, and I would have given him quite a bit of rope since he had been an active Paul supporter for so long. But, yes, at this point, I would have asked him to take leave. So, no, I haven't changed on that.

The question is, why aren't you talking to the current Mods and/or Bryan, if you think something should be done that isn't?

You running around calling people "stormfronters", isn't helping anything and it makes you appear horribly.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I have seen ONE person on here who has thrown in the towel.

All that proves is that you are not very observant. You really think all this entire foofaraw spammed all over the entire breadth of all of these forums over the last two months is just over one solitary person who you think just doesn't know whether or not he should support Rand?

ALL OF THIS crap, because ONE PERSON doesn't know who he wants to support?

Does telling yourself this make it easier to attack those of us who still have actual principles?

 

[LibertyEagle]

You are clearly the one who has changed. Someone tickles your ears the right way and you abandon all those principles you used to claim at the drop of a hat. Some book somewhere written long ago had something to say about that.

Gunny studies at the Goebbels school.

I have said over and over again, that I will be voting for Rand.

 

[jj-]

Not only calling them stormfronters, he also accused them of being paid, but if you look at their post history, AuH20 and David Sadler, and others, were saying the same things about immigration that are triggering the accusations of being paid, way before Trump announced.

 

[garyallen59]

Who has shown their true colors is some of you guys. Just wow. What the hell happened to you? You seriously need to take a break. This isn't like you.

I've visited this forum at least once a day since the day I registered in 2007. You are the one who has changed.

 

[LibertyEagle]

All that proves is that you are not very observant. You really think all this entire foofaraw spammed all over the entire breadth of all of these forums over the last two months is just over one solitary person who you think just doesn't know whether or not he should support Rand?

ALL OF THIS crap, because ONE PERSON doesn't know who he wants to support?

Does telling yourself this make it easier to attack those of us who still have actual principles?

I have watched what you have been doing on here and it is scary. It is nothing that Ron would support.

 

[acptulsa]

You running around calling people "stormfronters", isn't helping anything and it makes you appear horribly.

Even Jesus says He can't help people who have no eyes to see. But for everyone else, I'm happy to provide a clue as to which post histories reveal interesting motivations.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I've visited this forum at least once a day since the day I registered in 2007. You are the one who has changed.

How so?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Even Jesus says He can't help people who have no eyes to see. But for everyone else, I'm happy to provide a clue as to which post histories reveal interesting motivations.

Then report him. Write Bryan a note. It's not like before when the owner was AWOL.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Gunny studies at the Goebbels school.

I have said over and over again, that I will be voting for Rand.

I don't care who you vote for. You attack people to deliberately cause them harm for the sin of merely disagreeing with you. That's sick. I don't want votes from sadists like you. You are the one bearing false witness against me, and now you accuse me of being Goebbels because I took offense at being lied about? Really? Really??

You are sick, and you need help. I don't know what in the hell has happened to you, but you have turned into a monster. You are nothing like you used to be. You have changed dramatically, and very much for the worse. Go promote some other candidate...PLEASE. Go lose votes for them instead of losing votes for Rand. You are not helping. You are actively harming the liberty movement, and if you care about Ron Paul and Rand Paul at all, then you should stop.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't care who you vote for. You attack people to deliberately cause them harm for the sin of merely disagreeing with you. That's sick. I don't want votes from sadists like you. You are the one bearing false witness against me, and now you accuse me of being Goebbels because I took offense at being lied about? Really? Really??

Wow. Yes, because you keep claiming I lied about you and I never did. I even took the time to attempt to help you clear your delusion. But, here you go again. Stating the same lie over and over again. That is exactly what Goebbels was talking about.

You are sick, and you need help. I don't know what in the hell has happened to you, but you have turned into a monster. You are nothing like you used to be. You have changed dramatically, and very much for the worse. Go promote some other candidate...PLEASE. Go lose votes for them instead of losing votes for Rand. You are not helping. You are actively harming the liberty movement, and if you care about Ron Paul and Rand Paul at all, then you should stop.

Gunny, you are the one doing harm to the liberty movement. In your delusion, you are suggesting that someone be ousted who has said multiple times that they are voting for Rand. I also haven't been running around here cutting him down. Yet, that's not good enough for the self-ordained hangman.

You are making an ass out of yourself.

How about you do something productive and start making phone calls for Rand?

 

[garyallen59]

How so?

In recent years you have become quite a hostile and angry person. You were much more level-headed in the past.

You need to realize that this discussion wouldn't be happening if several of us members, many longstanding, didn't feel like something was amiss here. I bring this up because I sincerely believe it is hindering production and discouraging people. Hell, I get discouraged by it and I am a strong willed guy who doesn't sway easy. People come here excited about Rand Paul and leave discouraged because of these people. It should not continue. We don't have to see eye to eye on everything here, and no one expects that, but we do need to share one goal and that is promote Rand and promote liberty. Not continue to be enamored by a candidate who does not promote liberty, but makes people feel good because he is stirring things up. He's just a bull headed jerk. We should not even be considering at this point, "well if Rand doesn't get the nom, I'll vote Trump." If you truly support Rand and I believe you do, the goal is simple, make sure people know why Rand Paul should be the candidate they vote for. And let's work as a team to do so. Let's post the positives and work with them, and let's post the negatives and work them out in a rational non-defeatist matter.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I have watched what you have been doing on here and it is scary. It is nothing that Ron would support.

Ron Paul would very much support people standing on principle and defending what is right and good. Ron Paul would very much support our rejection of Trump. I have not changed a whit in 20 years, and once again you are trying to cause pain with words. It's pathetic. When did you become a sadist? Ron Paul himself said that I stand exclusively on principle and will fight for right good and truth against all odds.

Are you saying that Ron Paul himself is wrong about me?

Or are you willing to consider maybe, just maybe, you are the one who has lost her way?

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[LibertyEagle]

In recent years you have become quite a hostile and angry person. You were much more level-headed in the past.

I can see why you would think that, but it's not the case. What is true is that one, I no longer have to put up with being attacked and two, I have always stood up for the little guy. I honestly think some of you guys would benefit from taking a break. Because if you are here every day and never get away, I think there is a tendency to become what you once hated.

You need to realize that this discussion wouldn't be happening if several of us members, many longstanding, didn't feel like something was amiss here. I bring this up because I sincerely believe it is hindering production and discouraging people. Hell, I get discouraged by it and I am a strong willed guy who doesn't sway easy. People come here excited about Rand Paul and leave discouraged because of these people. It should not continue. We don't have to see eye to eye on everything here, and no one expects that, but we do need to share one goal and that is promote Rand and promote liberty. Not continue to be enamored by a candidate who does not promote liberty, but makes people feel good because he is stirring things up. He's just a bull headed jerk. We should not even be considering at this point, "well if Rand doesn't get the nom, I'll vote Trump." If you truly support Rand and I believe you do, the goal is simple, make sure people know why Rand Paul should be the candidate they vote for. And let's work as a team to do so. Let's post the positives and work with them, and let's post the negatives and work them out in a rational non-defeatist matter.

Then flag it for the Mods and/or send Bryan a message. That's always been the way. It's nothing new.