Rand vs Trump Poll. Who do these forums support?

[LibertyEagle]

Are you going to accuse Ron Paul of being Goebbels now that he called Donald Trump a dangerous authoritarian, LE?

Why would I? Ron Paul didn't lie and keep repeating the lie over and over again. That was you.

Goodnight.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Frankly, at this point, what I am seeing from you tonight is a lot of projecting. That, and something pretty close to crazy and delusional behavior.

I haven't been trashing Rand and I haven't seen Kahless do it either. Yet, you have been running around here like a bully harassing Kahless. Quite despicable behavior on your part.

You aren't helping Rand. You are hurting him.

If you want to help him, call his campaign and volunteer. Do something constructive. What you have done tonight is exactly the opposite. You should be ashamed.

I'm the one who agrees with Ron Paul. You are the one who disagrees with Ron Paul.



Call me whatever the hell names you want, but at least have the guts to admit that you are the one out of synch with Ron here.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Are you going to accuse Ron Paul of being Goebbels now that he called Donald Trump a dangerous authoritarian, LE?

Why would I? Ron Paul didn't lie and keep repeating the lie over and over again. That was you.

Goodnight.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Frankly, at this point, what I am seeing from you tonight is a lot of projecting. That, and something pretty close to crazy and delusional behavior.

I haven't been trashing Rand and I haven't seen Kahless do it either. Yet, you have been running around here like a bully harassing Kahless. Quite despicable behavior on your part.

You aren't helping Rand. You are hurting him.

If you want to help him, call his campaign and volunteer. Do something constructive. What you have done tonight is exactly the opposite. You should be ashamed.

I'm the one who agrees with Ron Paul. You are the one who disagrees with Ron Paul.



Call me whatever the hell names you want, but at least have the guts to admit that you are the one out of synch with Ron here.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I'm the one who agrees with Ron Paul. You are the one who disagrees with Ron Paul.

I am voting for Rand. Get off my back.

Call me whatever the hell names you want, but at least have the guts to admit that you are the one out of synch with Ron here.

Let's see. I do recall you running around calling people not only liars, who weren't, but also sadists and whatever else popped into the delusional behavioral mode you have going.

Call me whatever the hell names you want, but at least have the guts to admit that you are the one out of synch with Ron here.

All of them suck besides Rand. Which is why I am voting for Rand. You just have your panties in a twist, because you don't like who I said I might vote for if Rand loses. Too bad, bucky. You are the one insisting that it be talked about over and over. You. I'm not the one driving this. You are.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Night now.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I am voting for Rand. Get off my back.

Didn't you just say that if Ron Paul dropped out Trump was your second choice?

Did you even watch the Ron Paul video? Ron Paul hinted that Trump may be a type of the antichrist.

That's your second choice?

Let's see. I do recall you running around calling people not only liars,

If you don't want to be called a liar, then don't lie about me and I won't call you a liar. It's pretty simple, really.

who weren't, but also sadists

That's what you call people like you who get off on hurting people.

and whatever else popped into the delusional behavioral mode you have going.

Here's the reality. All of them suck besides Rand. Which is why I am voting for Rand. You just have your panties in a twist, because you don't like who I said I might vote for if Rand loses.

The guy who Ron Paul the man himself implied might be the antichrist.

All of them suck besides Rand. Which is why I am voting for Rand. You just have your panties in a twist, because you don't like who I said I might vote for if Rand loses. Too bad, bucky. You are the one insisting that it be talked about over and over. You. I'm not the one driving this. You are.

I'm not the one who keeps bringing up Trump. You, and the people you are defending, are. I am just defending Rand Paul against you and your friends trying to make Trump palatable to Ron Paul supporters.

Did you actually listen to the video about what Ron Paul, the actual man and former Congressman Ron Paul had to say about Donald Trump?

If Donald Trump is your second choice, do you think Ron Paul is wrong?

If you believe Ron Paul is right, then do you actually WANT to elect a dangerous authoritarian despot who may be the antichrist?

The logic works out so that if you have Trump as your second choice then it can only be one of two things: Either 1) you think Ron Paul was wrong, mistaken, or telling a lie to promote his son; or 2) you think Ron Paul was correct and you actually LIKE the idea of a dangerous authoritarian despot who may be the antichrist as President of the United States.

 

[acptulsa]

You guys, however, have caused a TON of posts about Trump. Not sure why you think this is a good plan.

Oh? And if a neighbor came to you and told you her husband beat her, would you also say, as he undoubtedly did (all abusers do) that she brought it on herself and must have done something to cause it?

Really? I am now, "you people", in your eyes?

I quoted the post I was responding to. Was it your post?

You tell me. Have you turned into one of those people? Is that why you're running around calling gunny Goebbels and telling us it's our fault that paid Trump spammers are overrunning this forum?

Oh.
My.
God.

If you think that someone should be banned, flag the Mods or message Bryan. That has always been the way. Not to run around here calling them stormfronters, or that they aren't welcome in the liberty movement.

It has never been our way. I know it hasn't been mine, and I don't think it has been Gunny's either.

An appeal to Authority? Really?

But it does get to a point where the same points have been refuted over and over (there are your Goebbels wannabes, in case your interested in seeing the real thing), and no one is getting paid to spend their days and nights repeating themselves but the Trump Brigade.

So you agree then people should not be allowed to post here if they will be voting for Trump if Rand loses the nomination? That is basically the forum member purity test that is being demanded by a few here.

As for me the way I feel tonight is I do not know what I am going to do at this point. This is due to me trying to decide whether Rand's H-1B policy is a deal killer. Sometimes I can get past it sometimes I can't. I prefer Trump's H1-B policy but I have not endorsed Trump. But now I am labeled a Trump supporter and should be banned from the forum.

Oh, yes. Mr. Pure. You don't advocate eugenics, but you sit around all day seriously discussing it on this forum like it's a hard number science and we all take it seriously. You don't advocate voting for Trump but you sit around all day seriously discussing his 'policy positions du jour' (quickly, since he flip flops daily) all day and all night like that's all anyone here cares about.

But it's only damaging if you advocate it. It isn't damaging to merely make it look like we take garbage seriously. Yeah, yeah. We know your sales pitch. We have a right to disagree.

If I end up voting for Trump if Rand loses and it is an honest discussion then let me have it. Considering the behavior in this thread it does not look like that would be so.

I'll say it again so the troll brigade can ignore it again: There is no way at all that Rand Paul is out of the race and Trump is still in it. It will not happen. It is an impossibility and a non-issue. Trump cannot win the GOP nomination, he's merely there to torpedo Rand Paul by sucking off his supporters. And the only way he runs as an independent is if Rand Paul should come away with the nomination, because his sole purpose in the race is to split the vote of the disaffected and disgusted. That's what he's in it to do, and that is what he will do. Therefore, there is no conceivable way someone sees a ballot that has Trump on it and does not have Rand Paul on it. None.

No, I didn't. You are a liar. I said from the start that endorsements are completely irrelevant except for political gamesmanship. Your entire attack is based on the bizarre notion that "political gamesmanship" is a contradiction to "political capital." You are so desperate to find a flaw in my rationale that you are just making crap up.



Promoting Trump:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...do-these-forums-support&p=5965382#post5965382
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...do-these-forums-support&p=5965160#post5965160
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-to-3rd-party-for-Trump&p=5963284#post5963284
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5963066#post5963066
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...eport-American-citizens&p=5962159#post5962159
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...data-collection-(video)&p=5961484#post5961484
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...data-collection-(video)&p=5961418#post5961418
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...data-collection-(video)&p=5961252#post5961252
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ad-evaar!-(The-trilogy)&p=5960365#post5960365
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ad-evaar!-(The-trilogy)&p=5960364#post5960364
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...advice-from-John-Bolton&p=5960155#post5960155
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5960134#post5960134
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5959606#post5959606
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5959325#post5959325
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5959291#post5959291
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5958976#post5958976
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ONLY-one-in-the-race-wh&p=5958285#post5958285

Disrespecting Rand Paul:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...do-these-forums-support&p=5965254#post5965254
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...do-these-forums-support&p=5965160#post5965160
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5963135#post5963135
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...data-collection-(video)&p=5961445#post5961445
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...data-collection-(video)&p=5961418#post5961418
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...data-collection-(video)&p=5961252#post5961252
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ad-evaar!-(The-trilogy)&p=5960361#post5960361
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480460-The-day-the-music-died&p=5960178#post5960178
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?480460-The-day-the-music-died&p=5960164#post5960164
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...advice-from-John-Bolton&p=5960155#post5960155
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5960134#post5960134
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Encouraging-Legal-Immig&p=5959485#post5959485
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5959325#post5959325
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ons-On-Immigration-Plan&p=5958976#post5958976
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ONLY-one-in-the-race-wh&p=5958285#post5958285

Apologizing for Trump wanting a National ID Card
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Encouraging-Legal-Immig&p=5959469#post5959469

I could go on for days....



You would like to think so. Or you are just deflecting.

Well done, Gunny.

We had better keep this handy, because running around protesting his alleged innocence seems to be all he's good for.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Didn't you just say that if Ron Paul dropped out Trump was your second choice?

Did you even watch the Ron Paul video? Ron Paul hinted that Trump may be a type of the antichrist.

That's your second choice?

Right now, yes. I explained why.

If you don't want to be called a liar, then don't lie about me and I won't call you a liar. It's pretty simple, really.

I didn't lie about you.

If you don't want to be related to Goebbels statement, then don't resemble it.

That's what you call people like you who get off on hurting people.

And you think calling people sadists, repeatedly calling them liars why they aren't, and hopping around here hurling insults at anyone who doesn't follow your goose step is oh so sweet.

The guy who Ron Paul the man himself implied might be the antichrist.

So? He may be right. Don't know at this point.

Maybe you agree with every single thing that Ron says, but I have a brain of my own. I don't agree with him about the Iran deal, either. Neither does the JBS.

I'm not the one who keeps bringing up Trump.

Yeah you are. You have done it in this very post of yours and more than once.

You, and the people you are defending, are. I am just defending Rand Paul against you and your friends trying to make Trump palatable to Ron Paul supporters.

I made one comment. You have made about 100 posts about it. You are making a mountain out of a molehill and making it look like the whole place is for Trump. lol. You can't even see it, can you.

Did you actually listen to the video about what Ron Paul, the actual man and former Congressman Ron Paul had to say about Donald Trump?

If Donald Trump is your second choice, do you think Ron Paul is wrong?

Yes, I watched it. I don't know if he is right or not at this point. You act like I got all slobbery about Trump. I just said that I preferred him to Bush. That is the statement that made you go all looney tunes and accusing me of saying you supported Bush; which I never said.

If you believe Ron Paul is right, then do you actually WANT to elect a dangerous authoritarian despot who may be the antichrist?

Seriously, you need to get a grip. I said I was voting for Rand. If he drops out or loses, however, I personally believe the stage has been set for Bush to win the nomination. And yes, I would prefer Trump to Bush. They both suck. I have explained this to you more than once. Yet, you keep attacking.

The logic works out so that if you have Trump as your second choice then it can only be one of two things: Either 1) you think Ron Paul was wrong, mistaken, or telling a lie to promote his son; or 2) you think Ron Paul was correct and you actually LIKE the idea of a dangerous authoritarian despot who may be the antichrist as President of the United States.

There is a 3rd option. You need to get back on your meds.

Now, get lost.

 

[kahless]

Well done, Gunny.

We had better keep this handy, because running around protesting his alleged innocence seems to be all he's good for.

All he did was link to my posts giving the illusion to people that do not click on those links that I am a Trump spammer.

 

[DFF]

Rand's not going to win the election for the same exact reasons Ron never had a chance: the banking elites hate him.
He's anti-Fed and anti-Israel. Together these are a death-sentence for any would-be presidential candidate.
The best that he can hope to accomplish is getting out the message...

So this leaves us with either Trump, Hillary Clinton, or possibly Jeb Bush.
Between those three, I would go with Trump. Which I don't view as the "lesser" evil compared to someone like Mitt Romney.
Granted, he's not Rand Paul, he's not a Libertarian, but he's a far better alternative than another Bush or Clinton in the White House.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Rand's not going to win the election for the same exact reasons Ron never had a chance: the banking elites hate him.
He's anti-Fed and anti-Israel. Together these are a death-sentence for any would-be presidential candidate.
The best that he can hope to accomplish is getting out the message...

So this leaves us with either Trump, Hillary Clinton, or possibly Jeb Bush.
Between those three, I would go with Trump. Which I don't view as the "lesser" evil compared to someone like Mitt Romney.
Granted, he's not Rand Paul, he's not a Libertarian, but he's a far better alternative than another Bush or Clinton in the White House.

Read my sig line. Click the link.

 

[jllundqu]

I support human Liberty. Whoever can help bring it to these forsaken lands has my vote.

(Translated: I [kinda] support Rand, for now and Trump is a Tyrant-in-waiting.)

 

[cajuncocoa]

I support human Liberty. Whoever can help bring it to these forsaken lands has my vote.

(Translated: I [kinda] support Rand, for now and Trump is a Tyrant-in-waiting.)

There's no way I will vote for Trump...not even to keep Hillary out of the White House, because what's the difference? Just because we're supposed to play for Team Red? I don't play for Team Red.

 

[AuH20]

There's no way I will vote for Trump...not even to keep Hillary out of the White House, because what's the difference? Just because we're supposed to play for Team Red? I don't play for Team Red.

Trump is a vote against Team Red. That's the whole idea. Detonate the son of a bitch.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Jeb Bush is a dangerous authoritarian.
Hillary is a dangerous authoritarian. (And a Red Communist.)
I don't think Trump gives a damn about "Team Red" or "Team Blue" and would be glad to run as an independent.

 

[DFF]

Read my sig line. Click the link.

He's a billionaire in charge of thousands of people. So I'm sure he does lean more authoritarian.
But which way does he lean, though? If it's right, then I could deal with a bossy President.
Perhaps this is in fact what the United States needs. Our own version of Singpore's Lee Kuan Yew.

 

[AuH20]

He's a billionaire in charge of thousands of people. So I'm sure he does lean more authoritarian.
But which way does he lean, though? If it's right, then I could deal with a bossy President.
Perhaps this is in fact what the United States needs. Our own version of Singpore's Lee Kuan Yew.

Andrew Jackson [cough. cough] Ya know the same guy the bankers repeatedly tried to kill.

 

[Krugminator2]

Perhaps this is in fact what the United States needs. Our own version of Singpore's Lee Kuan Yew.

Except Lee Kuan Yew and Donald Trump have totally opposite views of economics and markets. Lee Kuan Yew was a great promoter of free enterprise. Donald Trump's actual economic views are indecipherable from those of Bernie Sanders.

I am quite certain that you have spent little time looking at Trump's actual views. But just in case I missed something. I would like people to find one proposal or statement in Donald Trump's past where he has promoted free markets or find one proposal that is a concrete fiscally conservative proposal. I challenge you to find one. I honestly don't think one exists that can't be contradicted by something else he said.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Some are suggesting that Trump may be the Caesar that Oswald Spengler warned about. I guess we'll see.