Rand Supports Some Foreign Bases, Big Difference from His Dad

Time will tell, and in my case I won't lose anything. All the people going behind Rand are going to skip out on local politics again and try for the national stage that people CLAIM IS RIGGED. Is it or not ?

Yes, it's been rigged for a long time. And you know that I think putting all our eggs in the basket of winning the presidency is beyond foolish. In my opinion, our time would be much better spent at the local and state levels. But, people are going to do what they are going to do, TP. Rand is not the problem.
 
If I were ashamed, I would not have chosen this username. I would have called myself "ultimatelibertypatriot" or something. I am pragmatic, not an ideologue. And yes, I do want to win. Rand can win and he's 95% Ron Paul. I'll take that over having a 100% guy who will get nowhere politically.

The only real subject I've touched on here is people like yourself claiming Rand and Amash are totally different even though they have almost identical records, both rhetorically and in votes. You were the one who originally changed subject by comparing Rand and Amash.

Pragmatic -- the buzzword for those who refuse to actually look at things that have worked or will work. Age does not equal wisdom friend. Jesus once I get off work I will literally work to absolutely crush your half-baked arguments.
 
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Wrong and I can only speak for myself but I would imagine that those that back Rand are politicos and are engaged on every level. My county's C4L is very active on local, state and federal issues and it's packed full of Rand supporters.

I think he was mostly talking about people on this forum and that is a mighty small sample size.
 
Wrong and I can only speak for myself but I would imagine that those that back Rand are politicos and are engaged on every level. My county's C4L is very active on local, state and federal issues and it's packed full of Rand supporters.

Then only speak for yourself. Not others. Rand is pushing 11% in the party almost same as his dad in 12'. I'm not seeing what you guys are.
 
Whos mind has he changed ?(other then fracturing the movement along with that asshole benton, people are tired of the fucking lies and deception) If he wins the presidency is he not going to be controlled just like he is NOW ALREADY. Wether by bankers or public opinion. He is not his own man. Sorry.

Oh hell, TP. This movement has always been fractured since some people figured out that they could garner a quick buck off of the people in this movement.

I think your issue is that your blinders won't allow you to see beyond the people on this forum. There is a whole world out there and there are a lot of people who thought Ron was a crackpot, but like Rand. I have heard Rand explain the very same position that Ron had and while they rolled their eyes when Ron said it, applaud when Rand says it. Why? Because Rand explains it differently. They can hear what Rand is saying. He puts it in terms they understand and can relate to. Ron didn't. It's just the truth. Ron appealed to a certain segment and he won many of them over and can still win over many others. But, what of the people he can't? Do we just forget them? Many of them are good people. I think Rand can reach them. I have seen it with my own eyes.

And no, I don't think Rand is controlled. But, as with everyone, time will tell. He's not my god. If he goes bad, I won't be on his train.
 
Then only speak for yourself. Not others. Rand is pushing 11% in the party almost same as his dad in 12'. I'm not seeing what you guys are.
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The odds of Ron Paul actually winning were 0.0% He would have lost to every single Republican candidate head to head. I think he even would have lost to Bachmann and Herman Cain.

Rand Paul has a legitimate shot at winning. And there is a pretty big difference between the Republican field Ron Paul faced and this next election.
 
Then only speak for yourself. Not others. Rand is pushing 11% in the party almost same as his dad in 12'. I'm not seeing what you guys are.
I stated I was, genius. Also, most of the same people that constantly post in here also post in 2014 candidates so I'm not seeing this one-dimensional meme you're pushing. What I am seeing is your highfalutin mentality of telling others what they should be focusing on and taking every chance to trash Rand and as many of his supporters as possible in his own sub-forum. Why the mods continue to allow you to do this is beyond me.
 
Then only speak for yourself. Not others. Rand is pushing 11% in the party almost same as his dad in 12'. I'm not seeing what you guys are.

Rand is getting in 2013 the same as his dad got in 2012...so what will Rand be getting by 2015/2016?
 
Whos mind has he changed ?(other then fracturing the movement along with that asshole benton, people are tired of the fucking lies and deception) If he wins the presidency is he not going to be controlled just like he is NOW ALREADY. Wether by bankers or public opinion. He is not his own man. Sorry.

You can't argue my point that Rand's eventual goals are absolutely no different than Ron's, because really I think saying otherwise would be utterly false. Rand is controlled? Controlled by whom? His voting record is just as independent from the Republican norm as Ron's was.

Amash and Rand have some minor disagreement's with Ron on substance, but both are still 99% in agreement with him.
 
ya i support some bases too before i close them down.. man, some people here are seriously that stupid.. like i said you can't take on -everything- at once.. every military base has its pork constituent
 
RT is really crappy and out with a sort of hit piece on Rand.

http://rt.com/usa/paul-bases-us-military-171/

The apple might actually fall further from the tree than once thought: US Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) says he has no desire to demand that the Pentagon shut down the hundreds of overseas military bases currently in operation.

“I’m not saying don’t have any,” the senator said to Time’s Alex Altman last week. "I'm just saying maybe not 900. I mean, I’d rather have one at Fort Campbell and Fort Knox than one in Timbuktu.”

Shutting down the US military’s overseas bases isn’t exactly top priority for any US lawmaker currently serving in the House and Senate, but that isn’t to say Sen. Paul wouldn’t be expected to swing in that direction. Before he retired earlier this year, Sen. Paul’s father, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), rallied feverishly to remove the US military from bases abroad.

“We're under great threat, because we occupy so many countries. We're in 130 countries. We have 900 bases around the world,” the senior Paul said last September while on the campaign trail running for United States president.

“We don't need to pay all this money to keep troops all over the country, 130 countries, 900 bases. But also, just think, bringing all the troops home rather rapidly, they would be spending their money here at home and not in Germany and Japan and South Korea, tremendous boost to the economy,” he said during another 2012 speaking engagement.

Rep. Paul stepped away from Washington politics earlier this year when he let his role as congressman expire without seeking another term in office. At the time, admirers of the libertarian-leaning Republican responded by saying the lawmaker’s senate-serving son, along with others like Rep. Justin Amash (R-Michigan), would carry on his legacy on Capitol Hill. Just a few weeks after Rep. Paul formally retired, though, his son is already speaking out against the very policy that was at the root of the Ron Paul in 2012 platform.

While Rep. Ron Paul wanted a “total removal” of US forces from the vast operations abroad, his son isn’t exactly following in his footsteps in that regard. Jon Ward of Huffington Post says he asked the Kentucky senator if he would favor the same approach as his father during a recent event hosted by the National Review, or if he would instead opt for a solution where the CIA would take responsibility for the United States’ current operations in Iraq where, formally, the United States walked away from a lengthy war over one year ago.

Paul responded, writes Ward, supporting something “in between all that.”

"I think having some places and bases where we could orchestrate attacks if we had to, if there's a regrouping of people, wouldn't be too unreasonable. But I think out patrolling the villages after 12 years, the Afghans should be doing that," Paul said at the time.

Just moments later, writes Ward, the senator said something a bit more uncertain.

"There are some who want to come completely home. Some want to stay forever. And the answer might be somewhere in the middle that we'll still have bases in places, but we don't necessarily have to maybe have 900 bases. Maybe we have less," he said.

“The fact that Paul expressed support for the idea of some military bases abroad, and even some in or near Iraq, is interesting because it is a significant difference from his father, former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas),” writes Ward. “Asked on Fox News in June of 2011 which bases on foreign soil he would like to see closed, the elder Paul answered succinctly, ‘All of them.’”

That isn’t to say, of course, that Sen. Paul has always stayed true to his father’s ideals in the past. When former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney secured the nomination for the GOP candidate for president last year, Paul formally endorsed the party favorite, leaving Rep. Paul without even the support of his own son.

“Well, you know, my first choice had always been my father. I campaigned for him when I was 11-years old. He’s still my first pick. But you know, now that the nominating process is over, tonight I’m happy to announce I’m going to be supporting Governor Romney,” said the senator.
 
You know, guys, if you hate Rand so much, what are you doing in his subforum? This subforum is for helping Rand; not ripping him to shreds. You're not trying to find out anything. You made your minds up some time ago.
Not once has anyone questioning in this thread said they hate Rand. It is only the people who defend him no matter what that use that term.
 
This is nothing more than people trying to drive a wedge between the liberty movement. Let's not spread this stuff, it's divisive and unproductive.

Exactly. Consider the freaking source.

TPTB sense trouble and they are going to come after Rand Paul with all they've got, including their tried and true divide-and-conquer techniques. Let's not be divided, nor be conquered.
 
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I love how you willfully ignore the fact I pointed out. Amash came out and said he would not have voted the way he did if it would have meant not dealing with the heat from the party. That's the issue.

Amash is great....when he doesn't have to deal with any sort of pressure. Then he caves. Rand doesn't and never has.

If you would like me to spoon feed you from google I won't oblige if it means one less child around here.

I will do you one better - I'm at work and I'm just going to ask him myself.
 
Exactly. Consider the freaking source.

TPTB sense trouble and they are going to come after Rand Paul with all they've got, including their tried and true divide-and-conquer techniques. Let's not be divided, nor be conquered.

'The interesting thing is ' (as Rand would say) perceived differences to Ron helps him in a GOP primary.

More mainstream conservatives who would never give Ron a second look even against the most terrible of opposition will pay more attention if they believe "he's not like his dad"
 
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I read this earlier and thought about posting this here, but then I figured I would get neg repped and called a bunch of names, so I decided not to. I'm a Rand supporter, but I'm not one of these people that think that he can never be criticized for anything. I just don't agree with him on this issue. I'm not in favor of just closing down all of our bases overnight, but I think the goal of any non interventionist should be to at least phase out all of our bases over several years. Obviously Rand is still head and shoulders better than any of the other candidates running, and I'll support him. But I'll make it clear when I disagree with him, and I disagree with him on this issue. I don't think it's an extreme position to eventually bring all of our troops home from overseas.
 
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Too means also. Two is a number. To is a preposition. Hard to take people seriously if they cannot grasp basic 2nd grade grammar.
 
Who knows what he believes, I don't think he even knows anymore. Who cares -- if you want power - go for Rand, if you want principles go with Amash, or Massie.

If you want principles, go with Amash, Rand and Massie.

Ironic that those who are calling Rand unprincipled here are lying.
 
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