Rand speaking at Boone County GOP

[Brett85]

Weren't there more Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights Act than there were Democrats?

 

[klamath]

Because you'll give the Democrats 12 million new voters, and you'll have a permanent Democratic majority that will enact all of the big government legislation it wants to enact. The entire reason why the Democrats constantly push for a "path to citizenship" is so that they'll have millions of new future voters.

See my post above. They are here and they aren't going anywhere. Eventially they will be voters. It is flat out stupid to let the democrats turn them into a monolithic voting block like the blacks.

 

[Brett85]

See my post above. They are here and they aren't going anywhere. Eventially they will be voters. It is flat out stupid to let the democrats turn them into a monolithic voting block like the blacks.

Polls show that about 70% of hispanics support Obamacare. Most of them have immigrated from socialist countries and support socialist policies. What makes you think that Latinos will vote Republican if the Republicans take a softer stance on illegal immigration?

 

[klamath]

Weren't there more Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights Act than there were Democrats?

I don't know the exact numbers but the figurehead presidential push was from liberal democrats. That locked the deal.

 

[klamath]

Polls show that about 70% of hispanics support Obamacare. Most of them have immigrated from socialist countries and support socialist policies. What makes you think that Latinos will vote Republican if the Republicans take a softer stance on illegal immigration?

Because the democrats make a solid outreach on issue framing in the hispanic communities. The republicans are coming across that they don't want to be anywhere near hispanics and want them out of the country. If republicans don't make themselves automatically revolting to hispanics with a racist attitudes hispanics might not just dismiss out right logical arguements made against obama care. That is the problem with a solid alienation of a voing block. Once you reach a certain level no amount of arguement will get through because they won't even listen to any words you say.

 

[supermario21]

Guys, keep in mind there was a time when the Republican Party was essentially limited to WASPs. All Catholics and non-Western Europeans were essentially Democrats. Most of the original New Deal coalition are now Republicans (White Catholics, Euro immigrants). If Republicans actually preached freedom, liberty, and opportunity, then we would do better with all groups, including Hispanics.

 

[trey4sports]

Guys, keep in mind there was a time when the Republican Party was essentially limited to WASPs. All Catholics and non-Western Europeans were essentially Democrats. Most of the original New Deal coalition are now Republicans (White Catholics, Euro immigrants). If Republicans actually preached freedom, liberty, and opportunity, then we would do better with all groups, including Hispanics.

I agree. Tell the truth and let the demographics sort itself out.

 

[HigherVision]

Did I ever say we should do that? No. There is a middle ground between deporting 12 million illegal immigrants and allowing all of them to become U.S citizens.

1) If you cut off their welfare benefits and punish the employers who hire them (the employer sanctions would need to be done at the state level) then most of them would simply leave on their own. Illegal immigrants aren't going to stay here if they can't find a job and can't receive welfare benefits.

How about cutting off their welfare benefits and letting them work the way people who came to America always did in the past? Or is going back to the policies of the 1800's not 'traditionally conservative' enough?

 

[Brett85]

How about cutting off their welfare benefits and letting them work the way people who came to America always did in the past? Or is going back to the policies of the 1800's not 'traditionally conservative' enough?

We should let people work who come here legally and obey our laws. That's the way we did it in the past.

 

[Brett85]

Although, I understand the point that Klamath and others are making, which is that it may simply be a political necessity for the GOP to take a softer stance on illegal immigration in order to not lose Latino voters for good.

 

[69360]

Yes I know that is a very big worry. However Many of the mexicans that came here could actually be republicans. Many many of them want a better life and have the gumption to work hard to get it. Many have strong family values and being catholics are anti abortion. If republicans don't alienate them and do proper outreach I think they could break 50/50. If the republicans keep pushing the hard line against Mexicans that comes off as racist, they are going to create a monolitic democratic voting block much like the civil rights debate did to the black population.

In the area I live now we have large numbers of illegal Mexicans. They are all decent very hard working people, family oriented, conservative, religious and catholic. They could easily be convinced to vote Republican IMO. We share a LOT of values with them. I like them, they are nice people and much better people than the people in my area who live off welfare.

Weren't there more Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights Act than there were Democrats?

Yes, the southern democrats were the segregationalists not the republicans. In fact Condi Rice has said that she is a Republican because the Republicans were the ones who registered her father to vote when the democrats would not.

History gets rewritten by liberals.

 

[yinzer38]

Yes I know that is a very big worry. However Many of the mexicans that came here could actually be republicans. Many many of them want a better life and have the gumption to work hard to get it. Many have strong family values and being catholics are anti abortion. If republicans don't alienate them and do proper outreach I think they could break 50/50. If the republicans keep pushing the hard line against Mexicans that comes off as racist, they are going to create a monolitic democratic voting block much like the civil rights debate did to the black population.

Sadly for us, all of those statements (except for the part about Catholicism) have already been said about Asian Americans...and when compared to Hispanics (71%), an even higher percentage of Asians (73%) voted for Obama this time around

 

[klamath]

Sadly for us, all of those statements (except for the part about Catholicism) have already been said about Asian Americans...and when compared to Hispanics (71%), an even higher percentage of Asians (73%) voted for Obama this time around

I am not arguing that they aren't voting democratic now. I am saying that they may not if we do our homework now. White people are the minority now so unless Republicans start getting the the message to some of these conservative yet democratic voting demographics we will never win a national election again.

 

[klamath]

Imagine this. You have a hard working large hispanic family that are building a business in the US. They are dealing with the many democratic regulations against business. The family members that own the business are American citizen but brothers sisters and fathers and mothers etc. migrated over to be with the family and work in the business. During an election the american side of the family hear republicans talking about reducing business regulations and they like what they hear, but then they hear republicans say they are going to send their family members back to Mexico and punish them for hiring those illegal family members in their business? How do you think their vote will break?

 

[HigherVision]

We should let people work who come here legally and obey our laws. That's the way we did it in the past.

"Before the late 1800s, U.S. law imposed no restriction whatsoever on immigration to this country."

 

[HigherVision]

 

[Brett85]

This seems to refute the notion that Hispanics are socially conservative.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/latinos-endorse-legal-abortion/

 

[69360]

This seems to refute the notion that Hispanics are socially conservative.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/latinos-endorse-legal-abortion/

Well you can't just lump them all together either. This is purely anecdotal, but my own experience has been that mexicans and cubans are more conservative than puerto ricans for example. I've also noticed that recent immigrants are more conservative than those who have been here for a few generations. The GOP in general and Rand in particular has a window of opportunity to reach out to these people if we take the time to understand what is important to them.

 

[klamath]

This seems to refute the notion that Hispanics are socially conservative.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/latinos-endorse-legal-abortion/

There are several big problems with this. Citing exit polls is very flawed. They are only sampling those voters that were turning out for that election. It was a democratic year. Do an exit poll of the 2010 turnout and the numbers are going to look quit different.
Those abortion numbers they are including ALL abortions including if the mother life is at stake. Even I would be included in prochoice numbers when it is put across like that and I am about as prolife as you can get. Ask the people if they are ok with abortion for convenience and the numbers reverse in greater numbers. The American people are NOT of the belief that if the baby is inside the mother she has an absolute right to choose as that exit poll was trying to prove.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

Sadly for us, all of those statements (except for the part about Catholicism) have already been said about Asian Americans...and when compared to Hispanics (71%), an even higher percentage of Asians (73%) voted for Obama this time around

Yep. Most asians vote Democrat.

Reasons:
They believe Republican only help rich, white people. Asians seem to like Hillary Clinton for some reason.

Based on Republican rhetoric, it does appear so. "NO TAXES ON RICH. ANTI-IMMIGRATION. etc etc".

Heck, most asians dont even know who Ron Paul is... haha. Or know he is a kook.