Rand speaking at Boone County GOP

[tsai3904]

Paul, who has said he’s interested in a 2016 presidential run, said the Republicans need to evaluate how they can better compete on the west coast and in New England.

Paul said Republicans should adopt a less aggressive foreign policy.

“When you watch the Republican primaries, other than one candidate, most of the rest of the candidates were saying, ‘I’ll bomb them first,’ ‘No, I’ll bomb them more,’ ‘No I’ll bomb them yesterday, not tomorrow,’ and not everybody wants that,” Paul said.

Paul also said the GOP should also show “more compassion toward victimless crimes” and push for a better way for illegal immigrants to become legal.

“A lot of the people who have been disproportionately jailed over drug crimes have been African Americans and I think that’s not going to automatically let us win the African American vote, but it will help a little bit,” Paul said. “The Hispanic vote, I think we need to tell Hispanics that we’re not sending 12 million people home that have gotten to come here illegally. We’re not going to necessarily give you a reward, but we’re not going to send you home and if you want to work, we will find some normalization of your status here so you can start paying taxes and work.”

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/nkypoli...s-only-race-of-national-significance-in-2014/

 

[Brett85]

I wish his "less aggressive foreign policy" extended to opposing sanctions against foreign countries.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

I like how Rand tries bring up his dad, but didn't say his name XD.. I bet all the republicans there wonder "hmmm who was that one candidate??"

I dont know... It seems Rand is trying to tap into the GOP's wanting to win no matter what. Immigration and drug stance for Rand probably wont go well with the GOP base, but it seems like he wants to convice the GOP to pander to the groups affected by those two issues.

 

[69360]

McConnell is going to back Rand in 2016, it will be payback for Rand backing Mconnell in 2014.

This is good, very good.

 

[Brett85]

I honestly have to say that I don't understand Rand's strategy at all. He's alienating the free republic and red state types by supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants, and he's alienating the liberty movement by supporting sanctions against Iran. It just seems like lately he's taking positions that offend everybody.

 

[tsai3904]

He's alienating the free republic and red state types by supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants

I wouldn't describe it as amnesty. Here's more on his position on immigration (19:45 into the clip):

http://www.whas.com/player/?station...podcast&program_id=MandyShow.xml&mid=22664306

 

[klamath]

I honestly have to say that I don't understand Rand's strategy at all. He's alienating the free republic and red state types by supporting amnesty for illegal immigrants, and he's alienating the liberty movement by supporting sanctions against Iran. It just seems like lately he's taking positions that offend everybody.

Do you really think we are going to uproot millions of hispanic people that have been here since they were babies and consider America their home? I flat out believe that these people should be given a one year option to take the American citizens test and renounce their mexican citizenship. If they refuse to do that then deport them. At the same time this is done tighten the borders. If they want to be Americans, let them be Americans.
Do you really think republicans will ever win if they push this into happening across millions of homes in america?

 

[Brett85]

I wouldn't describe it as amnesty. Here's more on his position on immigration (19:45 into the clip):

http://www.whas.com/player/?station...podcast&program_id=MandyShow.xml&mid=22664306

Thanks.

 

[Brett85]

Do you really think we are going to uproot millions of hispanic people that have been here since they were babies and consider America their home?

Did I ever say we should do that? No. There is a middle ground between deporting 12 million illegal immigrants and allowing all of them to become U.S citizens.

1) If you cut off their welfare benefits and punish the employers who hire them (the employer sanctions would need to be done at the state level) then most of them would simply leave on their own. Illegal immigrants aren't going to stay here if they can't find a job and can't receive welfare benefits.

2) If we come to the conclusion that it's not feasible to cut off their welfare benefits or put employer sanctions in place, then perhaps we could look at giving the illegals who are here a guest worker status. They would be able to stay here and work and pay taxes, but they wouldn't become full citizens and have the right to vote. I don't believe that we should give full citizenship to and allow people to vote who broke our laws.

 

[Eric21ND]

Do you really think we are going to uproot millions of hispanic people that have been here since they were babies and consider America their home? I flat out believe that these people should be given a one year option to take the American citizens test and renounce their mexican citizenship. If they refuse to do that then deport them. At the same time this is done tighten the borders. If they want to be Americans, let them be Americans.
Do you really think republicans will ever win if they push this into happening across millions of homes in america?

PR and logistics disaster.

 

[klamath]

Did I ever say we should do that? No. There is a middle ground between deporting 12 million illegal immigrants and allowing all of them to become U.S citizens.

1) If you cut off their welfare benefits and punish the employers who hire them (the employer sanctions would need to be done at the state level) then most of them would simply leave on their own. Illegal immigrants aren't going to stay here if they can't find a job and can't receive welfare benefits.

2) If we come to the conclusion that it's not feasible to cut off their welfare benefits or put employer sanctions in place, then perhaps we could look at giving the illegals who are here a guest worker status. They would be able to stay here and work and pay taxes, but they wouldn't become full citizens and have the right to vote. I don't believe that we should give full citizenship to and allow people to vote who broke our laws.

I agree with a lot of what you say about welfare, but I am also getting tired of the argument of don't reward them for breaking the law. You and I probably don't go a day without breaking ten laws. Many of these people have been kids since they were brought over. America is all they know. To them they are Americans without papers.
The middle ground is to ask the question. Do you want to be an American or do you want to be a mexican? If you want to be a mexican get your ass back to mexico.

 

[69360]

I don't see giving illegals a green card and getting them a legal status as rewarding breaking the law. Giving them entitlements I do see as a reward. If Rand wants to get them all a legal status, paying taxes and on the existing path to citizenship then what is the big deal here? As was mentioned we can't just kick 12 million people out of the country, the logistics of it and the impact on the economy make it impossible. We have to find a middle ground.

 

[supermario21]

I think the whole point of Rand's plan is to get them paying taxes, etc. They're already receiving many gov. benefits now like schools (think Perry's plan for giving illegals in-state tuition) and health care without paying anything. Rand is trying to actually solve the problem without going Gestapo on them and deporting them all.

 

[Brett85]

We have to find a middle ground.

I would think that a middle ground could be a guest worker program for those who are here, rather than full citizenship.

 

[klamath]

I would think that a middle ground could be a guest worker program for those who are here, rather than full citizenship.

Besides the don't reward them for breaking the law arguement, what other reason do Republicans have with making them citizens? They are here now, they are not going anywhere and many probably have been here 40 years.

 

[69360]

I would think that a middle ground could be a guest worker program for those who are here, rather than full citizenship.

Maybe so, I mean that does work. But there is no reason they can not follow our existing naturalization pathway once they have a legal status.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Do you really think we are going to uproot millions of hispanic people that have been here since they were babies and consider America their home?
Do you really think republicans will ever win if they push this into happening across millions of homes in america?

I completely agree, but the base actually does want that. They may not understand that that is the logical implication of "deport them all," but "deport them all" is what they want.

 

[69360]

Besides the don't reward them for breaking the law arguement, what other reason do Republicans have with making them citizens? They are here now, they are not going anywhere and many probably have been here 40 years.

Republicans assume they would vote democrat.

 

[Brett85]

Besides the don't reward them for breaking the law arguement, what other reason do Republicans have with making them citizens?

Because you'll give the Democrats 12 million new voters, and you'll have a permanent Democratic majority that will enact all of the big government legislation it wants to enact. The entire reason why the Democrats constantly push for a "path to citizenship" is so that they'll have millions of new future voters.

 

[klamath]

Republicans assume they would vote democrat.

Yes I know that is a very big worry. However Many of the mexicans that came here could actually be republicans. Many many of them want a better life and have the gumption to work hard to get it. Many have strong family values and being catholics are anti abortion. If republicans don't alienate them and do proper outreach I think they could break 50/50. If the republicans keep pushing the hard line against Mexicans that comes off as racist, they are going to create a monolitic democratic voting block much like the civil rights debate did to the black population.