Rand Paul voted for Iran sanctions?

[bluesc]

Bingo. He's never going to appease the zealots. It will always be something while Ron's tacit support of earmarks doesn't really bother them one bit. Double standard? You betcha.

An act of war is a little worse than earmarks. You just consistently bash Ron while praising Rand. How are you any different?

Secondly, he's a U.S. senator and privy to intelligence that Ron wish he had access to. So everyone should calm down with the traitor nonsense.

Nope.

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[AuH20]

An act of war is a little worse than earmarks. You just consistently bash Ron while praising Rand. How are you any different?

I bash Ron out of frustration, thanks to his incompetence during this primary. Pawlenty pulled out. Perry imploded. Cain was destined to fail. This was the opportunity of a lifetime for the old man, but he couldn't hold onto the ball. All these loser retreads keep grabbing the favorite role because Ron's been type-cast!

Ron has the right message, deep financial support and impeccable ground game, but is better known for his memorable sound bytes which live on in infamy in the 24/7 media echo chamber. Great principled guy but horrible politician in this day and age.

 

[bluesc]

I bash Ron out of frustration, thanks to his incompetence during this primary. Pawlenty pulled out. Perry imploded. Cain was destined to fail. This was the opportunity of a lifetime for the old man, but he couldn't hold onto the ball. All these loser retreads keep grabbing the favorite role because Ron's been type-cast!

Ron has the right message, deep financial support and impeccable ground game but is known for his memorable sound bytes which live on in infamy in the 34/7 media echo chamber. Great principled guy but horrible politician in this day and age.

Yeah, but there's only one problem.. The media decides when people surge. He could meet your ridiculously high standards and the media would still dismiss him.

 

[AuH20]

Yeah, but there's only one problem.. The media decides when people surge. He could meet your ridiculously high standards and the media would still dismiss him.

No, that's not completely it. There have been alot of self-inflicted wounds along the way. Secondly, his age and appearance is another strike against him sadly. Americans are shallow.

 

[specsaregood]

Bingo. He's never going to appease the zealots. It will always be something while Ron's tacit support of earmarks doesn't really bother them one bit. Double standard? You betcha.

It isn't a double standard, Ron is 100% correct on earmarks. if the budget is set in spring and earmarks are added during the summer, there is no way earmarks increase the budget and no way eliminating earmarks decreases the budget.

 

[low preference guy]

That's completely fine and understandable. But to insinuate that he's working for the other team is (a) disrespectful (b) insulting (c) paranoid.

He voted to impose sanctions on Iran. He helped the neocons on that. There might be strategic reasons to explain that, but it's not paranoid to believe he is working for the enemy when he helps them.

 

[AuH20]

It isn't a double standard, Ron is 100% correct on earmarks. if the budget is set in spring and earmarks are added during the summer, there is no way earmarks increase the budget and no way eliminating earmarks decreases the budget.

Earmarks are fundamentally wrong. Arbitrarily grabbing revenue for local pet projects reeks of cronyism and poses a major conflict of interest for the representative who signed off on them. Strangely enough Rand is against earmarks.

 

[specsaregood]

Earmarks are fundamentally wrong. Arbitrarily grabbing revenue for local pet projects reeks of cronyism and poses a major conflict of interest for the representative who signed off on them. Strangely enough Rand is against earmarks.

They are wrong if the budget is based on earmarks. But if the budget is already set before a single earmark is added then they can't possibly be wrong. I don't think the executive branch is supposed to decide spending.

Rand is against them for political reasons.

 

[AuH20]

He voted to impose sanctions on Iran. He helped the neocons on that. There might be strategic reasons to explain that, but it's not paranoid to believe he is working for the enemy when he helps them.

Let's take that conclusion further. Why did he submit a bill to end the Iraq war? Vehemently fought against the renewal of the Patriot Act as well as illegal detention? His actions speak much louder than this particular sanction issue. It's all smoke, where his detractors are looking for ammunition to besmirch him, so they can feel better about not supporting him during the Kentucky primary. Look Rand isn't perfect. Ron is far from perfect as well. But what I have problem with is the largely unfounded accusations that he's a neocon establishment politician, when all the facts point otherwise. That's what drives me up a wall.

 

[AuH20]

They are wrong if the budget is based on earmarks. But if the budget is already set before a single earmark is added then they can't possibly be wrong. I don't think the executive branch is supposed to decide spending.

Rand is against them for political reasons.

That's semantics. If a Brinks truck crashes in front of me and bags of money fly out of the back, do I have a right to claim my alleged share for home improvement costs? From a perspective of principle, grabbing your alleged share from that earmark pool looks extremely shady. If Rand is wrong on sanctions (which I agree), then Ron is wrong on earmarks. Plain and simple.

 

[specsaregood]

That's semantics. If a Brinks truck crashes in front of me and bags of money fly out of the back, do I have a right to claim my alleged share for home improvement costs? From a perspective of principle, grabbing your alleged share from that earmark pool looks extremely shady. If Rand is wrong on sanctions (which I agree), then Ron is wrong on earmarks. Plain and simple.

No its more like going to a strip club that requires to spend a minimum of $200. Then giving you the choice of paying it as a cover charge, or getting to choose which strippers panties to put your money down. Earmarks are the latter choice.

You see in your example it isn't money coming from you or the people you represent, taxes however is money coming from your own pocket or being put as debt on your back.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There are probably two reasons that Rand voted for the Iran Central Bank sanctions: they are purported to fund terrorism, and it's an alternative to dropping bombs.

The fact that it helps the Western bankers destroy a competitor is just a coincidence. Powerful interests are very good at coming up with seemingly reasonable alternative justifications for government actions that directly help them.

Of course it would not work out if they pushed for their true desires without subterfuge. If they had one of their minions in Congress propose a law that stated "the Supreme Leader of Iran, and the Head of the Iranian Central Bank must be replaced tomorrow by selected former Goldman Sachs employees", it might not pass the Congress. Then again, maybe it would...

 

[Brett85]

He's also for Gitmo. I will never get as excited for Rand as I am for Ron.

He's not actually for Gitmo either. He just made it sound like he was during the campaign. But he voted in favor of trying terrorists in civilian courts.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00186

 

[Brett85]

I bash Ron out of frustration, thanks to his incompetence during this primary. Pawlenty pulled out. Perry imploded. Cain was destined to fail. This was the opportunity of a lifetime for the old man, but he couldn't hold onto the ball. All these loser retreads keep grabbing the favorite role because Ron's been type-cast!

Ron has the right message, deep financial support and impeccable ground game, but is better known for his memorable sound bytes which live on in infamy in the 24/7 media echo chamber. Great principled guy but horrible politician in this day and age.

I agree completely. I love Ron's message, but he doesn't seem to care about getting elected. He cares more about staying pure to his message than tweaking it a bit and trying to win an election.

 

[Brett85]

There are probably two reasons that Rand voted for the Iran Central Bank sanctions: they are purported to fund terrorism, and it's an alternative to dropping bombs.The fact that it helps the Western bankers destroy a competitor is just a coincidence. Powerful interests are very good at coming up with seemingly reasonable alternative justifications for government actions that directly help them.

Of course it would not work out if they pushed for their true desires without subterfuge. If they had one of their minions in Congress propose a law that stated "the Supreme Leader of Iran, and the Head of the Iranian Central Bank must be replaced tomorrow by selected former Goldman Sachs employees", it might not pass the Congress. Then again, maybe it would...

Yep. I think that's probably the main reason. Though I still disagree with his reasoning.

 

[bluesc]

I agree completely. I love Ron's message, but he doesn't seem to care about getting elected. He cares more about staying pure to his message than tweaking it a bit and trying to win an election.

What do you suggest? "Tweak" his foreign policy message to sound more like Huntsman's? He's supposed to be the moderate alternative, yet he wants troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, and people here like that .

Ron is working on delivery, and he's doing well in the early states. Get him a suit that fits and he's golden.

 

[AuH20]

What do you suggest? "Tweak" his foreign policy message to sound more like Huntsman's? He's supposed to be the moderate alternative, yet he wants troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, and people here like that .

Ron is working on delivery, and he's doing well in the early states. Get him a suit that fits and he's golden.

Stay away from the crap which sticks to your shoes. The Bin Laden garbage, Palestine, and the discussion of all the other complex, behind-the-scene machinations which do nothing but aggravate the American public. He should simply say that our current foreign policy is not in our best interests and that we're hopelessly broke. That's it. Like a robot.

 

[bluesc]

Stay away from the crap which sticks to your shoes. The Bin Laden garbage, Palestine, and the discussion of all the other complex, behind-the-scene machinations which do nothing but aggravate the American public. He should simply say that our current foreign policy is not in our best interest and that we're hopelessly broke. That's it. Like a robot.

He gave better than that. He has been giving an example in which he would actually use the military in defense. He is working on it. The Bin Laden comments were taken way out of context by the media. Once again, you blame Ron when you should blame the media. If he is asked, he shall answer.

 

[Matthew5]

He should simply say that our current foreign policy is not in our best interests and that we're hopelessly broke. That's it. Like a robot

Yeah, because repeating 9-9-9 like an idiot was a great political strategy.

 

[AuH20]

Yeah, because repeating 9-9-9 like an idiot was a great political strategy.

That's 9-9-9. This is common sense. The country has rapidly diminishing resources and simply cannot play the role of the world's policeman. America first.