Rand Paul: Trump's tariffs will hurt Americans...

[acptulsa]

Learn to read.

Learn to be at least slightly less obsessed with pronouns than the Left.

So, no accurate predictions yet? Pity.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What tax cuts?

The ones in the bill Rand voted against, and the predicted elimination of the income tax that was being discussed.

Do you even read at all before posting?

 

[acptulsa]

The ones in the bill Rand voted against...

Name the bill.

...and the predicted elimination of the income tax that was being discussed.

Tariffs don't guarantee the elimination of any income tax. I guarantee he would have voted for a package deal that did both. But he won't vote for a new tax piled on top of all the existing taxes. Get over it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Name the bill.

Try reading the post where I linked to the article about it.

Tariffs don't guarantee the elimination of any income tax. I guarantee he would have voted for a package deal that did both. But he won't vote for a new tax piled on top of all the existing taxes. Get over it.

The discussion was about what would happen if/when the bill to do so was put to a vote.
And it will happen.
Trump is trying to start phasing the income tax out already and Rand is voting against it using the impossible perfect as the excuse to fight the possible good.

 

[acptulsa]

Try reading the post where I linked to the article about it.

Okay. What page is it on?

 

[acptulsa]

The discussion was about what would happen if/when the bill to do so was put to a vote.

Your powers of prognostication don't impress anyone, swami. So you can stop acting like your predictions have already come true.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Okay. What page is it on?

Page 8, right where you barged into the conversation without reading.

Post in thread 'Rand Paul: Trump's tariffs will hurt Americans...'

Apr 4, 2025

Curious, when has Rand voted against cutting taxes before?

The Senate took an initial vote Thursday to advance a budget blueprint for enacting President Trump’s agenda, with all but one Republican unifying around the outline for sweeping tax and spending cuts.

Ultimately, only one Republican, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, could not be swayed to support it.

Thursday’s procedural test vote advanced, 52-48.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/apr/3/senate-republicans-minus-rand-paul-coalesce-around-budget-plan/

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• Swordsmyth

 

[acptulsa]

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Was there anything binding about this? Why do you love inflation (and can you really not see that inflation is a tax too)? And what does this have to do with tariffs?

Inflation is a tax. Not just when those other guys do it. No deficit spending is tax free, because inflation is a tax. So how is this a tax cut in the real world, bot?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Was there anything binding about this? Why do you love inflation (and can you really not see that inflation is a tax too)? And what does this have to do with tariffs?

Inflation is a tax. Not just when those other guys do it. No deficit spending is tax free, because inflation is a tax. So how is this a tax cut in the real world, bot?

You again didn't read, an example was asked for where Rand voted against tax cuts, I gave one.
The point was that Rand can and does come up with reasons to vote against tax cuts.

Inflation is a tax, but it is a slower indirect tax that also happens to hit the rest of the world, and that reduces the damage to Americans.
And if Rand can't see that then he should support tariffs to reduce the deficit instead of being against them as a tax hike.

 

[tebowlives]

LOL

Learn to read.

Trump wants the tax cuts, Rand is voting against them.

Learn to tell the entire truth. Trump is increasing the debt, Rand is voting against that

 

[Swordsmyth]

Rand wants to have his cake and eat it too, he wants to oppose tariffs as tax hikes even though the point is to shift to a tax that Americans can avoid and bring jobs and industry back to America, while not giving them the benefit of reducing inflation if the shift is not accomplished.
And then he wants to oppose the tax cuts that are leading to the shift from income taxes to tariffs using the deficit and inflation as justification.

He is not caring about the truth, just about whatever serves globalist free trade dogma and the Chamber of Commerce.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Learn to tell the entire truth. Trump is increasing the debt, Rand is voting against that

The debt will continue to go up anyway, and Rand opposes increasing tariffs even though that would reduce the deficit.

See my responses to Tulsa for more details.

 

[acptulsa]

You again didn't read, an example was asked for where Rand voted against tax cuts, I gave one.
The point was that Rand can and does come up with reasons to vote against tax cuts.

Inflation is a tax, but it is a slower indirect tax that also happens to hit the rest of the world, and that reduces the damage to Americans.

Somebody asked for a vote against a tax cut so you posted an example of a tax cut that you admit would not have really been a tax cut even if it were a real bill and not seeking consensus for a new direction.

Because in your book a "slower tax" that "hit(s) the rest of the world" is no tax at all.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Somebody asked for a vote against a tax cut so you posted an example of a tax cut that you admit would not have really been a tax cut even if it were a real bill and not seeking consensus for a new direction.

Because in your book a "slower tax" that "hit(s) the rest of the world" is no tax at all.

It was in fact a tax cut, not only did it cut direct taxes on American, but it also cut spending which reduces inflation.
The total taxation (direct or inflationary) would go down.

But Rand doesn't care, he only cares about the Chamber of Commerce.

 

[tebowlives]

The debt will continue to go up anyway, and Rand opposes increasing tariffs even though that would reduce the deficit.

See my responses to Tulsa for more details.

Reduce the deficit but the deficit is still a deficit and not a surplus because it's a spending problem and the debt will go up as will prices.
Will the increase be short term and will it cause more money to stay home? What matters is it's the wrong way to reduce spending and the reduce the debt.

 

[acptulsa]

Repeating bullshit doesn't make it true, bot.

 

[tebowlives]

It was in fact a tax cut, not only did it cut direct taxes on American, but it also cut spending which reduces inflation.
The total taxation (direct or inflationary) would go down.

But Rand doesn't care, he only cares about the Chamber of Commerce.

So ignore that the debt rises by $5 trillion?

 

[Swordsmyth]

Reduce the deficit but the deficit is still a deficit and not a surplus because it's a spending problem and the debt will go up as will prices.
Will the increase be short term and will it cause more money to stay home? What matters is it's the wrong way to reduce spending and the reduce the debt.

False.
It's the right way to reduce spending and the debt, and it will restore our economy.

Rand's excuses are self contradictory.

 

[acptulsa]

So ignore that the debt rises by $5 trillion?

Only when Trump does it.

As if we're going to be able to ignore the price inflation...

 

[Swordsmyth]

So ignore that the debt rises by $5 trillion?

Things will be worse for Americans if the bill isn't passed.
The debt will not be meaningfully less, Americans will pay a greater share of the taxation/inflation total, and spending will be higher.