Rand Paul to outline immigration policy platform on Tuesday 3/19

[helmuth_hubener]

Wouldn't connecting the two mean that you think the federal government had a right to expel native americans from the lands it claimed under its jurisdiction?

Well they certainly weren't citizens, so I would say that a person who believed such a thing would have to say "Yes. Deporting all non-citizen Native Americans en masse would have been Constitutional".

Of course, such a belief has no basis in reality.

 

[Carlybee]

Sooo...if the illegals get amnesty, do the employers who are knowingly or unknowingly employing them get a pass too?
Sorry if that's been covered..it's a long thread.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Sooo...if the illegals get amnesty, do the employers who are knowingly or unknowingly employing them get a pass too?
Sorry if that's been covered..it's a long thread.

I do business with "illegals". Should I get a pass?

 

[erowe1]

Sooo...if the illegals get amnesty, do the employers who are knowingly or unknowingly employing them get a pass too?

Of course they would. That's the point.

The government shouldn't even know who those employers are or have any way of finding out about them.

 

[lib3rtarian]

Full speech:

 

[Carlybee]

Of course they would. That's the point.

The government shouldn't even know who those employers are or have any way of finding out about them.

If someone applies for a work visa and they are already employed, would they not have to list their place of employment? When my husband applied for his visa so we could get married we had to practically sign in blood, give them our left arms and turn over my first born son.

 

[erowe1]

When my husband applied for his visa so we could get married we had to practically sign in blood, give them our left arms and turn over my first born son.

I don't see that as something we should support.

 

[Carlybee]

I don't see that as something we should support.

Just trying to envision the logistics. I can't imagine just having them line up, handed a visa, with no background info recorded etc. I understand he wants to streamline the process, I am just wondering what that streamlining would consist of. As it stands now the way I understand it, in order to get a work visa you have to have an employer willing to sponsor you or pay out the ying yang.

 

[erowe1]

Just trying to envision the logistics. I can't imagine just having them line up, handed a visa, with no background info recorded etc. I understand he wants to streamline the process, I am just wondering what that streamlining would consist of. As it stands now the way I understand it, in order to get a work visa you have to have an employer willing to sponsor you or pay out the ying yang.

Can't you have someone sponsor you without admitting they already hired you illegally?

At any rate, I would think that letting employers off the hook for that would have to be part of the plan. I guess I don't know for a fact. It just wouldn't make sense otherwise.

 

[Carlybee]

Can't you have someone sponsor you without admitting they already hired you illegally?

At any rate, I would think that letting employers off the hook for that would have to be part of the plan. I guess I don't know for a fact. It just wouldn't make sense otherwise.

I know one thing...they better streamline it for the legal immigrants who have been in line as well. I have a friend with a doctorate who had to move back to Europe because she hadn't secured a university job before her visa expired and she has to stay over there for a year before she can come back. She spent a lot of money getting her education here and then had to leave after she had established a home here plus leave her boyfriend and pets. Something not right if an illegal just gets handed one over someone proven to have contributed to the community.

 

[eating_nachos]

I don't see that as something we should support.

You really love telling people what they should and what they shouldn't support. How about you let everyone make up their own mind.