Rand Paul to outline immigration policy platform on Tuesday 3/19

cheapseats said:
Technological advancements ELIMINATING jobs (efficiency) is a whole different ballgame than Illegal Immigrants FILLING AVAILABLE JOBS.

It is a whole different LEAGUE than Illegal Immigrants filling available jobs while RECORD NUMBERS OF AMERICAN UNEMPLOYED collect "unemployment benefits" (taxpayer dough).
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It's not different at all. Technology and illegal immigrants both cost less and thus produce more. Prices go down for everyone else, which frees up resources for everyone else to create more jobs.
 
JUst curious how do you know it is about fence and not about bringing troops home to guard borders (like his father suggested)?
 
Barrex said:
JUst curious how do you know it is about fence and not about bringing troops home to guard borders (like his father suggested)?
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I guess I mean "fence" as in border security whether it's a virtual fence with drones and cameras, people or whatever.
 
AlexAmore said:
I guess I mean "fence" as in border security whether it's a virtual fence with drones and cameras, people or whatever.
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Ah muchas gracias senorata.. whicha waya to Amerika?



If you have social state fence is a MUST.
 
Barrex said:
Ah muchas gracias senorata.. whicha waya to Amerika?



If you have social state fence is a MUST.
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I'm all for open borders in a welfare free state. I'm as libertarian as anyone else on this issue. In fact I think illegal immigrants are the best because they can't get welfare, and they're off the grid. It's ironic that many people here STRIVE to accomplish that and I daydream about it as well.

I think I'm just talking about these issues on many different levels. If Rand Paul want's to win a 100% pure libertarian platform is gonna scare the shit out of the conservatives especially on this issue.
 
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AlexAmore said:
I'm all for open borders in a welfare free state. I'm as libertarian as anyone else on this issue. In fact I think illegal immigrants are the best because they can't get welfare, and they're off the grid. It's ironic that many people here STRIVE to accomplish that and I daydream about it as well.
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Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare but their kids are, in fact over 50% of illegal immigrant households receive some form of government help. So the cheap labor you like so much isn't as cheap as you think. It's subsidized by tax payers through social welfare programs.
 
AlexAmore said:
What's wrong with the free market and supply and demand? Illegal immigrants live in a truer free market, the black market, than ourselves.
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Illegal immigration distorts the free market by artificially increasing the supply of low wage workers.
 
eating_nachos said:
Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for welfare but their kids are, in fact over 50% of illegal immigrant households receive some form of government help. So the cheap labor you like so much isn't as cheap as you think. It's subsidized by tax payers through social welfare programs.
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So....round em up and ship em off? Not gonna happen. Get rid of welfare? That goes without saying. Welcome to the Ron Paul forums. Our party platform can be located:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

/tongueincheek
 
eating_nachos said:
Illegal immigration distorts the free market by artificially increasing the supply of low wage workers.
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No, regulations distort the amount of businesses that are built. Regulation caps the amount of businesses and reduces available work. We could have all the work in world available given enough freedom.
 
If the "verify" part is referring to the report stating that the boarder is secure, before issuing more work visas, then that's different and I'm ok with that. I, personally, lean towards a more open/libertarian position and don't like the idea of fences, etc... Granted I don't see the welfare state being reduced in the immediate future (or the drug war, or aggression overseas), so I think it's probably about as good of a compromise as we are going to get right now. Admitting illegals can't be easily deported (not without a massive expansion of government and civil liberty violations), is a big step for the GOP.
 
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July said:
If the "verify" part is referring to the report stating that the boarder is secure, before issuing more work visas, then that's different and I'm ok with that. I, personally, lean towards a more open/libertarian position and don't like the idea of fences, etc... Granted I don't see the welfare state being reduced in the immediate future, so I think it's probably about as good of a compromise as we are going to get right now. Admitting illegals can't be easily deported (not without a massive expansion of government and civil liberty violations), is a big step for the GOP.
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You're right, very well said. The verify part does mean the fence. I listen to every Rand Paul interview and speech.
 
AlexAmore said:
You're right, very well said. The verify part does mean the fence. I listen to every Rand Paul interview and speech.
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Haha, I used to listen to every Rand speech/interview as well, but the man is a machine, I can't keep up lately with all the media blitz he does nowadays. :)
 
AlexAmore said:
No, regulations distort the amount of businesses that are built. Regulation caps the amount of businesses and reduces available work. We could have all the work in world available given enough freedom.
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Mr. Apple meet Mr. Orange.

Nice deflection.
 
All the illegals I know that play on my futbol team work and don't have any kids. They do pay half for groceries because you can find someone on welfare to buy list of stuff and they pay that person cash. Prob about 15 live in a house and they are from Honduras. They send money to Honduras because they said that money has 20 times purchasing power. They save money in Honduras for 5 years and go back to live like Kings. Just my take.
 
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