Rand Paul, Ted Cruz join Kirsten Gillibrand push on military sexual assault

[dinosaur]

It's pretty much insinuated. By hinting that we must rush head-long into this without taking into consideration the extensively well-documented epidemic of false accusations, spurious charges, dismissals based on scant evidence, and the under-reporting of male-on-male rape, just so we can dismantle burning, but nevertheless unfounded, suspicions that conservative Republicans are waging a "War on Women," many posters here are guilty of being quite presumptuous about those things.

Again, we don't want innocent young men caught in the crossfire here just to score some cheap political points. Let's approach this sensibly.

It is not insinuated. Rape charges are difficult to prove in court. What makes you think they still wouldn't be?

 

[Coolidge/Dawes '24]

It is not insinuated. Rape charges are difficult to prove in court. What makes you think they still wouldn't be?

I will contend that it can be hard to tilt the cards in one favor at times when one is genuinely, sincerely violated, but there is definitely something wrong with that giant discrepancy between civilian prosecutions on the one hand, and military prosecutions on the other (11 percent vs. 55). In fact, when both parties are hammered, and can't necessarily legally consent in the way that "grrrrrrl power" academics would like, the man is usually pinned as the aggressor by default, even though, if we were to submit to that loose definition (and I'm not talking about people who are violated while they're incapacitated or violently subdued here), the man and the woman "raped" each other. I'm with Murray Rothbard on this one: you shouldn't be indicted on rape charges if you were just as intoxicated as the other party and that person enthusically consented to jumping under the bedcovers with you.

 

[spladle]

Get a grip. No one here has watered down the definition of rape or denied that male rape takes place.

I agree. Are these men raping other men? No..they are taking it out on people who they know may not be able to defend themselves. I personally think any soldier who rapes someone and that includes officers, should be willing to have his head blown off by the victim and the women should be able to sleep with their service revolvers if this is going to become standard practice. To use the "men will be men and women shouldn't be in the military to begin with" is a cop out.

dinosaur, care to comment?

 

[dinosaur]

dinosaur, care to comment?

I'm not sure what Carlybee was thinking when she said that, my response to that Coolidge guy was about him freaking out about femminazis watering down the definition of rape as if that somehow had anything to do with proving a case in court. To my knowledge, the two are separate issues. It is still difficult to prove a rape case, as it should be. Maybe the higher prosecution rate in military cases is because fewer cases are likely to get that far.