Rand Paul spox: Fed gov't should bar businesses from discriminating

[Agorism]

You can just circumnavigate the issue by not allowing the government having a standing army so that they can't enforce any of their laws. No standing army, irs, secret police, fbi, secret service, etc etc.

Just saying

Isn't this what Andrew Jackson said to the S.C....write as many laws as you want but you can't enforce your laws.
Of course Jackson could enforce the laws he wanted to because he had the army.

 

[RM918]

I personally don't care whether he supports all of the act or is against that part of it. I can see either one flying, what I can agree with is that it's happened and even if I did disagree with part of it, that is WAAAAAAY low on the list of priorities. What matters is whether or not he's changed his position all of a sudden, because if he bows down to the racial smears that WILL continue whether this is brought up or not, we'll never win. He needs to break the left's golden idols about racism and not being allowed to talk about it, or being called one for any number of positions that have nothing to do with race.

 

[Matt Collins]

Don't blame all of the world's problems on Jesse Benton. That's all I'm saying at this point in time.

 

[paulitics]

He still didn't say that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should intervene to desegregate a restaurant. He promoted local solutions. Or am i missing something?

Yes, you are. At 3:20 he says twice that there was a need for federal intervention.

 

[sirgonzo420]

Don't blame all of the world's problems on Jesse Benton. That's all I'm saying at this point in time.

Ok... so Rand fucked up himself?

How is this AT ALL a good political move for the Paul campaign?

 

[RM918]

Ok... so Rand fucked up himself?

How is this AT ALL a good political move for the Paul campaign?

He's also betraying everyone who jumped to his defense, including his dad, if he backpedals all the way on this. If he can't stand his ground on this, what will he stand his ground on?

 

[damiengwa]

Ok... so Rand fucked up himself?

How is this AT ALL a good political move for the Paul campaign?

It isn't good. But i'm not claiming the sky will fall either. Clearly Benton was in fact on the reservation. I only questioned it because I so disbelieved Rand would open himself up to a flip flop accusation. That interview with Maddow was 20 minutes. All on the 64 act. He clearly said he only supported 9/10s of it. Now he clearly accepts the federal role on private businesses.

Will it matter vote wise. Probably not. But it doesn't give me too much confidence he won't bend when the pressure is on.

John McCain wins often, and he'll say WHATEVER he thinks people want to hear. He even thru miranda and ridiculous amounts of court president under the bus and suggested the executive branch just ignore it. Were we wrong to lam bast him? Of course thats not at all what rand did. but its worrisome. I want rand to stick to the message. IF he loses because of it, i am not going to be disapointed, i will be proud of him. He can only disappoint me by selling out the message for his own personal gain.

 

[sirgonzo420]

He's also betraying everyone who jumped to his defense, including his dad, if he backpedals all the way on this. If he can't stand his ground on this, what will he stand his ground on?

exactly.

I hope he gets his position straight and stays his ground.

I hope it's not already a lost cause...

 

[Fozz]

It isn't good. But i'm not claiming the sky will fall either. Clearly Benton was in fact on the reservation. I only questioned it because I so disbelieved Rand would open himself up to a flip flop accusation. That interview with Maddow was 20 minutes. All on the 64 act. He clearly said he only supported 9/10s of it. Now he clearly accepts the federal role on private businesses.

Will it matter vote wise. Probably not. But it doesn't give me too much confidence he won't bend when the pressure is on.

John McCain wins often, and he'll say WHATEVER he thinks people want to hear. He even thru miranda and ridiculous amounts of court president under the bus and suggested the executive branch just ignore it. Were we wrong to lam bast him? Of course thats not at all what rand did. but its worrisome. I want rand to stick to the message. IF he loses because of it, i am not going to be disapointed, i will be proud of him. He can only disappoint me by selling out the message for his own personal gain.

Yep, I'd rather see Rand Paul lose with dignity than water down our principles and sell out.

 

[sirgonzo420]

Yep, I'd rather see Rand Paul lose with dignity than water down our principles and sell out.

What if he just watered down the principles until he got into office?


(that being said, I pretty much agree with you)

 

[Fozz]

What if he just watered down the principles until he got into office?


(that being said, I pretty much agree with you)

Well, I really hope he doesn't lie, because then much of his campaign against Trey Grayson would be hypocrisy.

 

[Nathan Hale]

sorry i edited and extended the preview nathan...

what about stossel?

Stossel rocked. The problem was that Rand took the question from Maddow out of left field. He had no prep, no idea. If he had an hour to think over the issue, he and whatever campaign strategy elements were present would have formulated an appropriate response, but on the air he had nothing to do but duck. Stossel, on the other hand, had a great opportunity, and he aired the intellectual argument against that part of the act.

I'm upset now as I see Rand saying that his opposition to that portion of the civil rights act, well, isn't actually opposition.

 

[damiengwa]

Stossel rocked. The problem was that Rand took the question from Maddow out of left field. He had no prep, no idea. If he had an hour to think over the issue, he and whatever campaign strategy elements were present would have formulated an appropriate response, but on the air he had nothing to do but duck. Stossel, on the other hand, had a great opportunity, and he aired the intellectual argument against that part of the act.

I'm upset now as I see Rand saying that his opposition to that portion of the civil rights act, well, isn't actually opposition.

I agree...I can't fault him for the literally "left-fielded" question from Maddow. But his answer to Maddow wasn't bad, just not as good as stossel. but the backpeddling isn't new here.

Remember Reagan...His revolution failed. He spoke out about the housing agencies back in 64. Now they just added 6 trillion ot the debt and an millions of homes are now being foreclosed on by the Treasury. He believed in sound money, never got ANY sound money measure to reform the fed, nevertheless a gold standard. He too had plenty of 'politicos' around him who along the way convinced him to 'moderate.' Pretty soon his record as president was a disaster compared to his goals. Even Ron Paul pointed this out people. Once the pandering starts where will it end? I hope Rand doesn't go the route of Reagan on this, only time will tell.

 

[sirgonzo420]

I agree...I can't fault him for the literally "left-fielded" question from Maddow. But his answer to Maddow wasn't bad, just not as good as stossel. but the backpeddling isn't new here.

Remember Reagan...His revolution failed. He spoke out about the housing agencies back in 64. Now they just added 6 trillion ot the debt and an millions of homes are now being foreclosed on by the Treasury. He believed in sound money, never got ANY sound money measure to reform the fed, nevertheless a gold standard. He too had plenty of 'politicos' around him who along the way convinced him to 'moderate.' Pretty soon his record as president was a disaster compared to his goals. Even Ron Paul pointed this out people. Once the pandering starts where will it end? I hope Rand doesn't go the route of Reagan on this, only time will tell.

Hear, hear.

 

[phill4paul]

Is Jesse Benton the Libertarian agent provacatuer?

 

[inibo]

I watched the Maddow interview. It was painful. Rand Paul was evasive, he would not answer her direct question.

Either your principles dictate that private business owners have a right to refuse service to anyone for any reason or you don't. He danced around it, but he did not come out and say it. I hope he realizes he cannot waffle around like this or the machine will tear him to pieces. This is going to be the issue he is attacked on all the way up to the general election. He needs to man up now or he's finished.

 

[sirgonzo420]

I watched the Maddow interview. It was painful. Rand Paul was evasive, he would not answer her direct question.

Either your principles dictate that private business owners have a right to refuse service to anyone for any reason or you don't. He danced around it, but he did not come out and say it. I hope he realizes he cannot waffle around like this or the machine will tear him to pieces. This is going to be the issue he is attacked on all the way up to the general election. He needs to man up now or he's finished.

Exactly... However, had he answered her "yes or no" question directly, he would've given Conway a GREAT soundbite.

 

[Matt Collins]

How is this AT ALL a good political move for the Paul campaign?

Let's give it a few days and find out, shall we?