Rand Paul speech at Howard University 4/10/13 (tube added)

[VoteRandPaul2016]

 

[itshappening]

Barbara Lee is still there!

The only congressman to vote against the Authorization of Military force against Terrorists on Sept 14th 2001.

She might be a hero to those at Daily Paul.

 

[VoteRandPaul2016]

and another hit piece by MSNBC on Rand Paul....

 

[thoughtomator]

Having had a chance to listen to the whole thing, I think Rand did an excellent job representing. Go Rand!

 

[July]

Finally got a chance to watch the video, overall I think it was an excellent speech.

There were a couple of sticky spots, like for instance the part about the founders of the NAACP being Republican didn't seem to go over as smooth with the audience. I think he's right, though, a lot of mainstream voters probably wouldn't know that (that audience obviously did), and Republicans should do a better job showcasing more positive aspects of the history of the party...and I know he's talked about this before at Republican gatherings, but I don't think that audience wanted to hear about Republican strategy, so much as they wanted to hear about why they should consider Republicans ideas.

I disagree with some others about the CRA answer. I thought it was ok.

I don't think the argument about restaurants menus, calories, etc, is a bad argument...but it needs work. If he can expand it into a discussion about unintended consequences of well intentioned laws and give examples, that might work. I don't think Democrats who believe in strong regulations on the food industry get why the government forcing restaurants to change their menus and list calories would be a bad thing in the first place...so they don't see the analogy. And yet, there is growing concern on the left about GMOs and Monsanto...he could tie the two issues together and point out how the government is not always up to date with current science or good about giving healthful nutritional advice, and sometimes what we think is healthy at first turns out not to be. That's why it's important for people to be free to choose when it comes to restaurants, food manufactures, and how our food is grown and prepared, and not rely solely on government regulation. It was the government that forced hydrogenated vegetable oils/trans fats into the fast food industry in the first place back in the 70s. It's the government that causes overproduction of corn and cheap high fructose corn syrup, etc....so there is a tie back to the economic argument as well.

I had trouble following Rand's answer on that Lincoln/Reagan question. On the one hand he was saying before that the party changed and lost the trust of African Americans, and asking how that happened, and on the other he was saying the party didn't change... I get what he meant, that there is a wing of the party that still believes in civil liberties, and that those ideas are still represented in the party, but that was kind of confusing.

Other than that I liked the speech a lot. I liked how he explained equality under the law, natural rights and protecting all forms of minorities, including political and intellectual...that our rights can't and shouldn't be voted away by a majority, etc...he tied all that together nicely.

 

[jtap]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-oeJXGkqPY

Why do these US networks have showed hosted by people from the UK? (Piers Morgan, Martin Bashir)

This seems to be a new trend that I'm not understanding. No qualified Americans for these jobs?

 

[itshappening]

Why do these US networks have showed hosted by people from the UK? (Piers Morgan, Martin Bashir)

This seems to be a new trend that I'm not understanding. No qualified Americans for these jobs?

That's racist.

 

[randfan7]

Why do these US networks have showed hosted by people from the UK? (Piers Morgan, Martin Bashir)

This seems to be a new trend that I'm not understanding. No qualified Americans for these jobs?

If pomposity is a requirement for the job; then there really is no substitute for a qualified brit.

 

[bbjaylive]

I think in the future Rand should forget about talking about the history of the Republican Party and blacks and just talk about his political ideology and why blacks should support it. Rand did really good in his speech and in the question and answer session when he was trying to sell his ideology.

Seriously, is that conservatives/libertarians answer to every problem? Just ignore something you can't talk about without using revisionist history (or to be more accurate completely skipping history) and hoping your audience is too dumb to realise it?

Pathetic.

If you want a good summary of what was wrong with Rand's speech click the link below:

http://blanksslate.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/about-rand-pauls-howard-speech.html

 

[whippoorwill]

I saw the MSNBC hit job 1st. Rand nailed this one....Btw the woman at the end, next to the door......mmmmm

 

[July]

Seriously, is that conservatives/libertarians answer to every problem? Just ignore something you can't talk about without using revisionist history (or to be more accurate completely skipping history) and hoping your audience is too dumb to realise it?

Pathetic.

If you want a good summary of what was wrong with Rand's speech click the link below:

http://blanksslate.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/about-rand-pauls-howard-speech.html

I don't think his joke was at the beginning was that bad, if anything I think it was meant to be an ice breaker, and almost seemed more directed at the media...who is always a secondary audience.

As for the rest of your article, I don't disagree with talking more about unintended consequences. That is a major philosophical underpinning, that libertarians seem to have a lot of trouble explaining, IMO. It would help though in addressing other areas like the FDA, EPA, environmental regulations, GMO labeling, and all these other similar issues that always come up. I think because libertarians see the world as being so interconnected, we sometimes say things that seem random or strange to people who don't. This gets me into hot water all the time in debates, where I'll forget to explain why I'm bringing something up and will just assume the other person sees the same connection/relationship that I do.

Anyway I still think Rand did good overall, and will improve the more he does speeches like this.

 

[jmdrake]

Just watched that. So....how is her new jobs plan better than the one black democratic predident Obama passed his first year in office? How is it better than the stimulus plan Pelosi passed when Bush was president? And if these jobs packages keep leading to hire unemployment among blacks.....?

 

[Occam's Banana]

The gentleman also called gays 'Queer people'. That's not the best use of language for them.

You are apparently unfamiliar with the sort of terminology employed by academe in areas such as Queer studies and Queer theory.

 

[bbjaylive]

I don't think his joke was at the beginning was that bad, if anything I think it was meant to be an ice breaker, and almost seemed more directed at the media...who is always a secondary audience.

As for the rest of your article, I don't disagree with talking more about unintended consequences. That is a major philosophical underpinning, that libertarians seem to have a lot of trouble explaining, IMO. It would help though in addressing other areas like the FDA, EPA, environmental regulations, GMO labeling, and all these other similar issues that always come up. I think because libertarians see the world as being so interconnected, we sometimes say things that seem random or strange to people who don't. This gets me into hot water all the time in debates, where I'll forget to explain why I'm bringing something up and will just assume the other person sees the same connection/relationship that I do.

Anyway I still think Rand did good overall, and will improve the more he does speeches like this.

Um...what?

Do you not see the irony in you completely ignoring my point about conservatives and libertarians ignoring issues they don't want to address and skipping history, a point that is corroborated in the article?

Do you have anything to say that Rand did the typical Republican thing when addressing black Democrats of talking about the "Republican party freed the slaves yada yada yada, civil rights in 1950, yada yada yada, now it's 2013 why aren't you in our party? What's wrong with you people? Don't you know that it's the Democrats who are the party of the KKK yada yada yada?"

Hint: What happened after 1950?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Um...what?

Do you not see the irony in you completely ignoring my point about conservatives and libertarians ignoring issues they don't want to address and skipping history, a point that is corroborated in the article?

Do you have anything to say that Rand did the typical Republican thing when addressing black Democrats of talking about the "Republican party freed the slaves yada yada yada, civil rights in 1950, yada yada yada, now it's 2013 why aren't you in our party? What's wrong with you people? Don't you know that it's the Democrats who are the party of the KKK yada yada yada?"

Hint: What happened after 1950?

Living in the South and being old enough to have seen first-hand the transition of my state from Democrat-only to GOP-only, I can't help but recognize that what you say is true. I've heard the argument Rand made before, by Rush Limbaugh not long after Trent Lott put his foot in his mouth at Strom Thurmond's birthday party back in 2002...I wondered if Rush could possibly be that ignorant.

 

[twomp]

Um...what?

Do you not see the irony in you completely ignoring my point about conservatives and libertarians ignoring issues they don't want to address and skipping history, a point that is corroborated in the article?

Do you have anything to say that Rand did the typical Republican thing when addressing black Democrats of talking about the "Republican party freed the slaves yada yada yada, civil rights in 1950, yada yada yada, now it's 2013 why aren't you in our party? What's wrong with you people? Don't you know that it's the Democrats who are the party of the KKK yada yada yada?"

Hint: What happened after 1950?

Please point to me what other Republican addressed black Democrats and did the "typical Republican thing"? I don't see many Republicans if any addressing black Democrats at all? Please tell me where Rand Paul said "What's wrong with you people?" You are making these things up.

 

[July]

Um...what?

Do you not see the irony in you completely ignoring my point about conservatives and libertarians ignoring issues they don't want to address and skipping history, a point that is corroborated in the article?

Do you have anything to say that Rand did the typical Republican thing when addressing black Democrats of talking about the "Republican party freed the slaves yada yada yada, civil rights in 1950, yada yada yada, now it's 2013 why aren't you in our party? What's wrong with you people? Don't you know that it's the Democrats who are the party of the KKK yada yada yada?"

Hint: What happened after 1950?

I guess because I didn't get the impression he was blaming the audience. I think he tried to show that some ideas and elements of the past, which are thought to be extinct in the party, are still alive. It sounds like you would have preferred he spend more time giving equal criticism to the Republicans, and I can understand why, but if he did that, he would have been crucified.

 

[jmdrake]

Hint: What happened after 1950?

Republican president Richard Nixon created the first federal affirmative action set aside program. Tough to bring that one up since Rand certainly doesn't agree with that. But it is a part of "forgotten history." Something that Rand did bring up that was important and most people don't know is that many lunch counters got desegregated prior to the 1964 CRA through direct action. He stuck that factoid in there but didn't flesh it out well. The point is that there are ways to desegregate that don't involve the federal government stretching the true intent of the commerce clause.

 

[jmdrake]

Living in the South and being old enough to have seen first-hand the transition of my state from Democrat-only to GOP-only, I can't help but recognize that what you say is true. I've heard the argument Rand made before, by Rush Limbaugh not long after Trent Lott put his foot in his mouth at Strom Thurmond's birthday party back in 2002...I wondered if Rush could possibly be that ignorant.

One of the most interesting stories from that era is that of George Wallace. Wallace began life as a progressive...and he really was always a progressive. At first he had conciliatory things to say about blacks and race relations. Then he lost his first bid for governor because his oponent was seen riding around with the KKK and that made the front page news. (Yes. Back the in Alabama KKK association was a net plus). Wallace vowed "I will never be out n***ered again." He kept that vow. But he kept progressive policies that included handouts to whites and blacks. When segregation ended he got the votes from both groups. Former klansman and democratic U.S. senator Robert Byrd had the same "conversion." It's funny how guys like this got a pass while guys like Strom Thurman were alwas assumed to be "real deal racists". (FWIW Thurman had a black daughter.)

The key problem for the GOP is how to breach the idea that even though, with the exception of Nixon (who never got credit for starting affirmative action), most republicans jumped off the Civil Rights bandwaggon when it became further and further removed from just ending Jim Crowe without being associated with those who always supported Jim Crowe.

 

[AuH20]

Sugar daddy politics will never die.

http://realclearpolitics.com/video/...nt_a_government_that_is_going_to_help_me.html

Howard University student to Sen. Rand Paul: "Good afternoon, Senator. My name is Keenan Glover, I’m an administration of justice major from Rochester, New York. A freshman, as well. You say you want to provide a government that leaves us alone. Quite frankly, I don’t want that. I want a government that is going to help me. I want a government that is going to help me fund my college education. I want a government that won’t define me by my FAFSA or by my family’s income. I’m a dollar sign with a heartbeat in this nation. This society is a mirror image of Capitol Hill. Do you, Senator Rand Paul, have a solution to come up with new American values so that the citizens of this nation have a worth of more than dead presidents and Ben Franklin?"