Rand Paul Responds to Ron: 'Chris Kyle Was a Hero'

[LibertyEagle]

Where did you here that the tweet was not written by RP?

She just made it up.

 

[Danke]

Your name shouldn't be "misean". Maybe Irving Kristol. You're a neocon, or more likely, a troll.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jj- again.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Your opening line makes me think this might be another of Ms. Eagle's sock puppets.

I have no sock puppets. Never ever have.

Just another lie by CajunCocoa.

 

[pcosmar]

Some people here do defend Timothy McVeigh. Also, Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill Kennedy. The examples he gives aren't very good.

They were both patsies. they were service members. They were not heroes.

I am a Vet, and am not a "Hero".

There s a reason that military suicides are up. and the so called PTSD.

It is called an "attack of conscience".

 

[TheGrinch]

Of course I don't think less of you for that. Many of us (myself included for awhile) were manipulated into thinking that way. Believe me I HAVE, AND I STILL DO, blame those who manipulated, engaged in fear tactics, took us to war for wrong reasons!

I hope you would see the difference between someone, like yourself perhaps, who enlists to defend his country, and another who wants to kill (over and over again) for the thrill of killing, and then writes a book to brag about it.

I have, and have a tougher time defending those like (or worse than) the power-hungry cops we have here, but time and place for airing out the man's laundry. Like I said, the cliche "hero" for fallen soldier got that way because it's nonetheless admirable to put one's life on the line for his country (and even though he might have had his own sadistic reasons, whether through his own evil or brought on by what he was asked to do, it is not up to Rand or Ron to differentiate and demonize the man upon his death. Thus is why I have a hard time believing Ron would politicize it, as much I'd understand it, but I think he was making a broader point of the "collateral damage" of the war machine anyway, as his later tweet suggested).

In short, neither was a really outrageous approach, given that death and it's circumstances can incite different emotions.... And that's not to mention that Rand is really not in a position like Ron is to create needless controversy where it's easily and harmlessly averted.

 

[TER]

"He must increase, but I must decrease"

- John 3:30

 

[green73]

Some people here do defend Timothy McVeigh. Also, Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill Kennedy. The examples he gives aren't very good.

Really people here defend McVeigh? I find that hard to believe, but if so so what? There are people here that believe reptilians from another dimension are taking over. But in the final analysis, are McVeigh and Oswald heroes? They did don the uniform.

 

[jj-]

Rand's statement it not meant to be analyzed like you guys are doing, it's meant soothe the mind of Hannity's listeners so that they'll vote for him. At the same time, by saying "like any other soldier", he is telling libertarians he doesn't really mean it and it's all politics. Rand really is good at the game.

 

[RickyJ]

“Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/04/Rand-Paul-responds-Ron-Paul

All who wear the uniform are heroes? Rand, you need to think before you speak, that is not true at all!

Was the guy that killed Chris Kyle a hero too because he wore the uniform?

I would not call Chris Kyle a hero. A hero does not try to cash in on his duty like he did. A hero isn't looking for fame and just does what needs to be done. Chris Kyle is no hero.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I have, and have a tougher time defending those like (or worse than) the power-hungry cops we have here, but time and place for airing out the man's laundry. Like I said, the cliche "hero" for fallen soldier got that way because it's nonetheless admirable to put one's life on the line for his country (and even though he might have had his own sadistic reasons, whether through his own evil or brought on by what he was asked to do, it is not up to Rand or Ron to differentiate and demonize the man upon his death. Thus is why I have a hard time believing Ron would politicize it, as much I'd understand it, but I think he was making a broader point of the "collateral damage" of the war machine anyway, as his later tweet suggested).

In short, neither was a really outrageous approach, given that death and it's circumstances can incite different emotions.... And that's not to mention that Rand is really not in a position like Ron is to create needless controversy where it's easily and harmlessly averted.

I will admit, I had a knee-jerk reaction to Rand calling Kyle a hero. I'm still not comfortable with that, but I see your point.

The controversy would have never existed if the original strange tweet, supposedly by Ron, hadn't gone out....and unless Ron had plans to throw a wrench in Rand's campaign (and what Dad would do that?) I find it hard to believe that the first tweet came from Ron's own hands.

 

[phill4paul]

I have no sock puppets. Never ever have.

Just another lie by CajunCocoa.

Threads are going fast and furious. I exposed a dichotomy within your positions earlier. I can't keep up with the threads. If you care to rebut it then find it and tell me why. I'm not gonna search it for you. The onus is on you to find the post I made and respond.

 

[mport1]

Rand's statement it not meant to be analyzed like you guys are doing, it's meant soothe the mind of Hannity's listeners so that they'll vote for him. At the same time, by saying "like any other soldier", he is telling libertarians he doesn't really mean it and it's all politics. Rand really is good at the game.

I think you're reading too much into it. I doubt he is speaking in code to libertarians. He probably believes soldiers and even this vicious killer are heroes.

 

[jj-]

I think you're reading too much into it. I doubt he is speaking in code to libertarians. He probably believes soldiers and even this vicious killer are heroes.

Come on, the "like any other soldier" part really shows it was perfunctory.

 

[SpreadOfLiberty]

Wake me up when it's 2016, okay?

 

[Origanalist]

I will admit, I had a knee-jerk reaction to Rand calling Kyle a hero. I'm not comfortable with that, but I see your point.

The controversy would have never existed if the original strange tweet, supposedly by Ron, hadn't gone out....and unless Ron had plans to throw a wrench in Rand's campaign (and what Dad would do that?) I find it hard to believe that the first tweet came from Ron's own hands.

I'm hearing no evidence to the contrary. http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/why-ron-pauls-twitter-is-getting-a-little-more-in

 

[Indy Vidual]

Question:
Is this thread an example of how some of you plan to spend the next couple of years?

Answer:
Yes

 

[jj-]

Wake me up when it's 2016, okay?

Hyperinflation will wake you up sooner than that.

 

[yinzer38]

A better question to ask, what were the Iraqis fighting for?...Iraqi soldiers had much less business fighting to keep the rest of the country oppressed under a dictatorship. There is absolutely no moral justification for being an Iraqi soldier. American soldiers on the other hand were freeing a people.

Well for one, they were fighting to keep their country free from a foreign aggressor nation located halfway around the world from them. Despite the good intentions of the men and women serving in the military and those of the American people as well as the unparalleled dominating power of the United States military, I would venture to guess that NATIONALISM (or even the sense of a civilizational struggle to preserve their independence) was one thing that enabled the Iraqis to doggedly resist our military all the way from 2003 to now.

KOREA?????????? We conquered Korea> South Korea was a third world country and now it is one of the richest countries on the planet. What do you mean occupy their land? They have North Korea just to the North. We are there military, unfortunately. North Korea is one of the poorest most oppressed countries on the planet.

In what way has South Korea been worse off for having the United States involved?

Again, I would say that there is some sense of shame and anger associated with having been 'pushed around' by a larger, more powerful country for so long with an occupying military force still in Korea today. The recent PSY anti-American hoopla is just one example of this resentment. When someone is able to push you around all the time and make important decisions for you, you'd be in a powerless state and at their mercy; when that happens to nations they lose their sovereignty.

I would think that the fundamental thing to keep in mind is that (especially in our modern era) nationalism is an omnipresent thing and that countries have long collective memories. Just because we Americans can "do good" by forcing our will upon others to help them to be "good" like us doesn't mean that we should. Isn't non-aggression and voluntary exchange still what liberty is all about?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not contradicting at all. If Americans go to war, I would much prefer that they not die. Chris Kyle was there. His job was to save American lives. He did a great job.

A better question to ask, what were the Iraqis fighting for? I agree that we had absolutely no business meddling in another country. That said, Iraqi soldiers had much less business fighting to keep the rest of the country oppressed under a dictatorship. There is absolutely no moral justification for being an Iraqi soldier. American soldiers on the other hand were freeing a people. So yes I do value and American soldiers infinitely more in this situation than Iraqi soldier.

Except when we weren't:

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Except when we weren't:

If you look back through many of the situations we are 'fighting' against now you can clearly see a pattern of CIA involvement. From Syria. To Libya. To Iran. To _____. I don't think many people can imagine a policy where we weren't up everyone's ass creating internal conflicts and trying to topple regimes. It's been going on for so long that that's all they can picture.