Rand Paul on Immigration: 'The 11 Million Are Never Going Home'

[mosquitobite]

Rand's support for Amnesty is going to be his #1 problem in the Republican primaries, and might cost him his chance at the Presidency. Even if he believes what he does, I don't see why he's being so vocal about and giving his rivals all the rope they need to hang him.

Agree. This is why I don't discuss the issue.

 

[TaftFan]

Agree. This is why I don't discuss the issue.

I just point out he has practically the same plan as Ted Cruz and Newt Gingrich.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

How is my private property being affected by Mexicans crossing an arbitrary line?

After that Mexican family moves into your basement and you stick to your principles and refuse to use any legal force to stop them from crossing your arbitrary lines -- let me know. I'll move in to your attic.

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

After that Mexican family moves into your basement and you stick to your principles and refuse to use any legal force to stop them from crossing your arbitrary lines -- let me know. I'll move in to your attic.

Yes, because there is a rapid epidemic of Mexican immigrants forcing their way into the homes of white Anglo families

Once again, how is my private property affected by immigrants?

 

[RandallFan]

NIU previously said Rand should pull no punches on these loser deadbeat American high school dropouts and low skilled Americans. To hell with Rand's political aspirations. Rand should worry about the 12 people posting in this thread.

 

[RandallFan]

Most Popular Sheriff in the northeast. Send the illegals into Romney's state.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/13/national/13immigrants.html?_r=0

I wanted the federal government to understand that I was going to take some type of action," said the New Ipswich police chief, W. Garrett Chamberlain. "If I can discourage illegal aliens from coming to or passing through my community, then I think I've succeeded." At a minimum, Chief Chamberlain has succeeded in creating controversy, as well as interest in his idea. Not far away, the police chief in Hudson, N.H., has charged 10 illegal immigrants with criminal trespassing in recent weeks. Other police departments, in states that include California, Florida and Georgia, have called Chief Chamberlain, and immigration experts say that if the New Hampshire charges are upheld, some local law enforcement officials around the country will most likely copy the approach.


"I wanted the federal government to understand that I was going to take some type of action," said the New Ipswich police chief, W. Garrett Chamberlain. "If I can discourage illegal aliens from coming to or passing through my community, then I think I've succeeded."

 

[Krugminator2]

NIU previously said Rand should pull no punches on these loser deadbeat American high school dropouts and low skilled Americans. To hell with Rand's political aspirations. Rand should worry about the 12 people posting in this thread.

I would be very surprised if Rand didn't start focusing on conservatives going forward. I think a lot of what he has done over the last year with his rhetoric was to emphasize that he can appeal to more than just the hard right in a general election as well as have the ability to appeal to independents in open primaries.

He has an almost identical immigration position to Cruz. The major difference is the way Cruz and Rand have chosen to brand themselves.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

After that Mexican family moves into your basement and you stick to your principles and refuse to use any legal force to stop them from crossing your arbitrary lines -- let me know. I'll move in to your attic.

State borders and State controlled land aren't private property. You're going to need to come up with a different example.

Unless you endorse socialism. Then by all means, continue being socialist, I guess.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

The US could absolutely send them home, it's a complete canard to say they can't be sent back. Utter nonsense. Eisenhower could deport them by the masses in the 1950s, but it's impossible now? Bullshit. Utter bullshit. This is just a lie that's been constantly repeated, so now everyone believes it, including many anti-immigration activists.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Yes, because there is a rapid epidemic of Mexican immigrants forcing their way into the homes of white Anglo families

Once again, how is my private property affected by immigrants?

Your private property may not be, but free association certainly is. Open borders are an effect of big government, and open immigration is tantamount to forced integration. Read Hoppe's thoughts on it if you want elaboration.

 

[Southron]

I just point out he has practically the same plan as Ted Cruz and Newt Gingrich.

That doesnt make me feel better.

 

[Crashland]

The US could absolutely send them home, it's a complete canard to say they can't be sent back. Utter nonsense. Eisenhower could deport them by the masses in the 1950s, but it's impossible now? Bullshit. Utter bullshit. This is just a lie that's been constantly repeated, so now everyone believes it, including many anti-immigration activists.

How would you go about rounding them up without seriously violating the rights of everyone else?

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

You're going to need to come up with a different example.

A different example of what?

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Rand position here is for Congress to make Obama's amnesty, work-permits,etc. permanent and leave it up to the liberal judges to decide how many freebies and when and how these 12 million get to join the Democrat voter rolls.

How do you figure that?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

A different example of what?

You're talking about private property and immigration when the comparison can't apply, considering that State owned land is not private property.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

As pointed out by Paleo, the issue isn't private property, it's freedom of association, and illegal immigrants having forced access to American resources against the consent of native citizens. It is the individual responsibility of those immigrants to to complete the process for obtaining legal citizenship or residency, not that of the government the citizens delegated to establish that process. Whether or not the state should or can logistically perform mass deportation, or put up border fences, it is still the responsibility of the migrating individuals to follow the naturalization process.

 

[jmdrake]

If we had 20 million illegal aliens from Sweden would anyone bitch?

Will most of them look like this?

Seriously though, maybe I'm in a minority, but I don't think there is an immigration crisis. I'm not with the panicked republicans that want to build a wall and deport millions of people and institute a national ID card to stop immigration, nor am I with democrats that are demanding a "pathway to citizenship." What's so bad about leaving the system as it is? Seriously?

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

As pointed out by Paleo, the issue isn't private property, it's freedom of association, and illegal immigrants having forced access to American resources against the consent of native citizens. It is the individual responsibility of those immigrants to to complete the process for obtaining legal citizenship or residency, not that of the government the citizens delegated to establish that process. Whether or not the state should or can logistically perform mass deportation, put up border fences, it is still the responsibility of the migrating individuals to follow the naturalization process.

Anything the government does with regard to immigration is a violation of property rights, since anything the government does requires funding. Which requires confiscation of private property.

It has everything to do with private property.

 

[philipped]

My older half brother from Haiti legally migrated to this country. The process took him over 5-7 years and he's in a position where the Presidents executive order I THINK might effect him and I just realized that now thinking about it. But I'm sure he's been doing everything properly so far. That may be a problem some people have but outside of that, if my brother was able to do it I'm open to a discussion to having those who wish to stay, pay taxes, and live a law-abiding life the ability to do it in a short amount of time.

It should be done conservatively. And the border should be enhanced and further secured. Open borders & a welfare state is a no-no #sorrynotsorry. So that position is some form of Amnesty?

 

[NIU Students for Liberty]

NIU previously said Rand should pull no punches on these loser deadbeat American high school dropouts and low skilled Americans. To hell with Rand's political aspirations. Rand should worry about the 12 people posting in this thread.

Funny, I don't seem to recall mentioning Rand at all.