Rand Paul Just Outed Himself

Woah,, get your High Horse under control.

I was supportive when Rand first ran in Kentucky.. And I have been hopeful for him as a Liberty Candidate,

I have been disappointed several times now. I have not been "bashing".
But is he wants respect or support,, he needs to earn mine.

This is not the way to do it. This shit is losing my respect. and that saddens me.

Like I said, concern trolling. Lots of things that the Ron Paul campaign made me sad. And yet I did not hang around RPFs posting every criticism I had in some bizarre attempt to make people pick a side. What would be the point?

This is the site Bryan wants - good for him! But I'm ready to spend some time in sycophant city.
 
The whole idea of compromising on rhetoric and actions to get elected is quite disgusting. You all are kidding yourself if you think Rand will be able to turn 180's after getting elected. The more involved in the system he becomes, the harder it will be to get out.
 
Like I said, concern trolling.

I can't speak for everybody of course, but, assuming all things being the same and assuming he does in fact run, I'll support him and donate.

So, better to clear the air now, rather than have a whole lot nonsense later.

There were many people here, rightly pissed, about how RP 2012 was run and some of things that were said and done.

And they were vocal about it.
 
Like I said, concern trolling. Lots of things that the Ron Paul campaign made me sad. And yet I did not hang around RPFs posting every criticism I had in some bizarre attempt to make people pick a side. What would be the point?

This is the site Bryan wants - good for him! But I'm ready to spend some time in sycophant city.

Your restraint in expressing perceived criticisms was your choice and preference. Others feel the desire to voice said criticisms--some for reasons of comprehension, some for reasons of objective scrutiny, some for reasons of challenging the defense, and I'm sure some for reasons of 'bashing'. There's nothing wrong with criticism; in fact criticism can be quite healthy and constructive. This suggestion that criticism should be banned or ceased entirely is quite ridiculous to me. If all you want is a circle-jerk echo chamber where nothing is challenged or scrutinized, where different perspectives aren't voiced or represented, then you're expressing a preference for ignorance, as opposed to intelligence, and that's infinitely more destructive than any criticisms that a handful of people may voice here and there. Moreover, if you can't adequately defend said criticisms, then perhaps they are criticisms worth consideration.
 
Rand Paul Forums was not started because people were drawn to Ron Paul. The guidelines for that forum clearly state that it is to support Rand Paul. But the community here won't ever get past the hand wringing libertarian concern-trolling.

Unless Bryan can ban people from certain forums, the only way to get rid of the people who consider it their solemn duty to point out every minute thing they perceive Rand is doing that conflicts with how they believe Ron would have campaigned is to leave them behind. The farther, the better.

I'm not super familiar with vbulletin but I'm pretty sure you can create custom usergroups where you can prevent people from posting in a specific forum. The problem is it wouldn't stop someone from making a new account to get around it.
 
I'm not super familiar with vbulletin but I'm pretty sure you can create custom usergroups where you can prevent people from posting in a specific forum. The problem is it wouldn't stop someone from making a new account to get around it.

Plus that's too much like a bunch of factions. Kind of like this...

 
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Anti-Federalist, Rand can't run for president if he takes the side of Putin.

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The whole idea of compromising on rhetoric and actions to get elected is quite disgusting. You all are kidding yourself if you think Rand will be able to turn 180's after getting elected. The more involved in the system he becomes, the harder it will be to get out.

It hasn't stopped Obama in the slightest -

seems to me it's how it's done now -

hell yes, I'm cynical.
 
Your restraint in expressing perceived criticisms was your choice and preference. Others feel the desire to voice said criticisms--some for reasons of comprehension, some for reasons of objective scrutiny, some for reasons of challenging the defense, and I'm sure some for reasons of 'bashing'. There's nothing wrong with criticism; in fact criticism can be quite healthy and constructive. This suggestion that criticism should be banned or ceased entirely is quite ridiculous to me. If all you want is a circle-jerk echo chamber where nothing is challenged or scrutinized, where different perspectives aren't voiced or represented, then you're expressing a preference for ignorance, as opposed to intelligence, and that's infinitely more destructive than any criticisms that a handful of people may voice here and there. Moreover, if you can't adequately defend said criticisms, then perhaps they are criticisms worth consideration.

Yes, and she pretty much thinks most of us 'conspiracy theorists' are wacko's who should be shunned. You know, because a bunch of banksters gathering at Jackal Island was not a conspiracy and none of us are here to conspire to promote liberty. Oh the irony...
 
Agreed 100%. We won't get a candidate elected with Ron Paul's non-interventionist rhetoric.

No, not wanting to rage war and genocide against every breezing storm that comes along does not make one a noninterventionist, it makes them incredibly sane and logical.

But certainly if you would like to kickoff WWIII, headfirst, then by all means grab yourself a parachute, “ghost-gun”, a few dozen 30-round-clips and get right hot to “get some”. Oh and be sure to give Russia+China and its many allies my heartfelt regards.

I would vote for Ron Paul every day of the week, including Sundays, precisely because of his rhetoric.
 
But certainly if you would like to kickoff WWIII, headfirst, then by all means grab yourself a parachute, “ghost-gun”, a few dozen 30-round-clips and get right hot to “get some”. Oh and be sure to give Russia+China and its many allies my heartfelt regards.

That is not what she meant or what she wants. If she simply recognizes fact that voters are brainwashed and will not elect someone who is labeled as "isolationist/non-interventionist" it doesnt mean she is approving it. For some reason lot of people on this forum make this mistakes. Recognizing reality and planning your liberty actions to be realistic (electing Rand, Rands rhetoric) is not warmongering, supporting evil, starting WWIII...
 
How did a topic with most arguing over Rand Paul slip under my radar?

I must be slipping...

I've come to the conclusion that Rand Paul is just not his dad and I'm not going to agree with him on a lot of issues. Ron Paul is and still is spot on with everything, especially on the Ukraine issue.

His son... not so much.

I've always said I criticize when its fair to, and it's fair to criticize this. What many have to realize is that Rand is and was never completely like his dad, he isn't a clone of him with the same positions. Unforunately...

On this issue, he is very much wrong in a lot of ways and I can't agree with him in the slightest.

I will still support him because he is frankly one of the best candidates out there, but I will not lie and say I don't have reservations in my heart. But those reservations are hopefully minor and he will still pull through and continue to be a champion of liberty as he should. The problem is, many of these reservations concern issues that aren't minor, and that's what worries me.

We shall see.
 
Yes, and she pretty much thinks most of us 'conspiracy theorists' are wacko's who should be shunned. You know, because a bunch of banksters gathering at Jackal Island was not a conspiracy and none of us are here to conspire to promote liberty. Oh the irony...
I think this phenomena accurately sums it up.

Psychological projection was conceptualized by Sigmund Freud (6 May 1856 – 23 September 1939) in the 1900s as a defense mechanism in which a person unconsciously rejects his or her own unacceptable attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world.
 
That is not what she meant or what she wants. If she simply recognizes fact that voters are brainwashed and will not elect someone who is labeled as "isolationist/non-interventionist" it doesnt mean she is approving it. For some reason lot of people on this forum make this mistakes. Recognizing reality and planning your liberty actions to be realistic (electing Rand, Rands rhetoric) is not warmongering, supporting evil, starting WWIII...

But your presumption does not hold true when you consider that Ron Paul asserts that Russia has been well within its right to act as it has been (Russia holds treaties permitting for its military actions in Crimea), while Rand Paul has been arguing that Russia is in need of a good spanking for acting illegally, or at least threatening.

Ultimately, were do you think Rand’s suggestions will lead to? Especially, when Washington’s neocons come into play and you take into consideration that Russia’s Bear is hardcore, it does not take lightly to being manipulated.

So Rand Paul wants to send our natural gas over to Europe (noting that Russia provides only 1/4 of natural gas throughout the EU, which 80% is piped through Ukraine and none through Crimea, and has been an ongoing subject of contention between the two nations for nearly a decade now), which I would tend to think (aside from not being much in the way of supporting the free-markets) will punish Americans vastly more than Russia, as natural gas prices are already high enough in America, and sending our clean fuel over there will only reduce the availability of production here in the states; so thusly, prices here will be raised even further (i.e., further price-gouged or price-fixed)—forcing Americans to struggle much harder in these current tough times.

More than that though, what business is it of American politicians to jump into the contracted obligations of foreign nations on their own internal affairs that have no direct impact upon America.

1. America is not part of the EU, American politicians are leaders there only of zip, zero, and nada.
2. The issues in Crimea bear no effect upon natural gas production or distribution.
3. Do Americans really care who Crimea “votes” to be a part of? I certainly know I do not.
4. Sending America’s natural gas into Europe will really only benefit America’s energy companies by increased market-share, prices, further tax write-offs, etc.
5. If Rand Paul is so offended by Russia’s military occupation, perhaps he should first fight here at home to get America’s ducks-in-a-row, how about getting America out of Guantanamo for starters?
 
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How did a topic with most arguing over Rand Paul slip under my radar?

I must be slipping...

I've come to the conclusion that Rand Paul is just not his dad and I'm not going to agree with him on a lot of issues. Ron Paul is and still is spot on with everything, especially on the Ukraine issue.

His son... not so much.

I've always said I criticize when its fair to, and it's fair to criticize this. What many have to realize is that Rand is and was never completely like his dad,
he isn't a clone of him with the same positions. Unforunately...

On this issue, he is very much wrong in a lot of ways and I can't agree with him in the slightest.

I will still support him because he is frankly one of the best candidates out there, but I will not lie and say I don't have reservations in my heart. But those reservations are hopefully minor and he will still pull through and continue to be a champion of liberty as he should. The problem is, many of these reservations concern issues that aren't minor, and that's what worries me.

We shall see.
But, but, but....Ron said they're only 1% apart on issues!!

You're right, of course...but the fanboys will accuse you of calling Ron a liar.
 
On this issue, he is very much wrong in a lot of ways and I can't agree with him in the slightest.

Really? So out of his over his close to a dozen suggestions and comments on how to approach the situation over in the Ukraine you didn't agree with him in the slightest?

I hate to have to copy and paste them all again; but I can assure that if I took the trouble to do so you would feel like an ass making that claim.
 
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But your presumption does not hold true when you consider that Ron Paul asserts that Russia has been well within its right to act as it has been (Russia holds treaties permitting for its military actions in Crimea), while Rand Paul has been arguing that Russia is in need of a good spanking for acting illegally, or at least threatening.

Ultimately, were do you think Rand’s suggestions will lead to?

Rands suggestions will lead nowhere. Rand knows it, I know it and you should know it. Russia supplies 25% of natural gas to EU. EU exports in Russia most of his products. US provides EU with 2% of its gas. There is no way that US can replace Russia as supplier of gas. EU would suffer more than Russia if there were ever sanctions. Everyone in EU knows it. From politicians to "peasants". It is just empty rhetoric.

You could suggest that his suggestion will lead to WWIII too. It wouldnt because it is empty rhetoric. Obama, Rand, You (that Chinese guy) or any other person that is or will become president of US cant stop Russia. Everyone knows it.

Some anarchist people here consider any involvement in government actions (voting, political actions, working withing system) as un-pure, treason or something worse. Anything that Rand does will be analyzed under microscope and any word that is not 120% in alignment with their anarchistic views will be at least pointed out or labeled as neocon, sellout, "outing him self" etc. Most made exception for Ron.
 
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