Rand Paul Interview on Marijuana, Gay Marriage, and Cliven Bundy

[DevilsAdvocate]

That is a false equivalence, some words that have become a symbol for racism in any context and you are not going to convince everyone to overlook their own bias because you don't understand that their experience and knowledge in life might be different then yours and that doesn't make them right but they are entitled to their own beliefs. Its more agreeable to just not use words that might offend people and that's why i don't ask fat women if they are pregnant.

Maybe a "symbol of racism" in the eyes of hypersensitive nervous nellies who frame people for Orwellian thought crimes. The man says "negro", which is a word used by scientists to describe people with a certain phenotypic expression originating from sub Saharan Africa, all of a sudden he's a racist. We're not going to judge him based on what he feels in his heart, we're going to judge him based on his words.

These adjectives properly describe Cliven Bundy: Colloquial, antiquated, abrasive, offensive.

This adjective does NOT properly describe him: Racist.

Do we have to go back to 3rd grade kiddies? This is such a low level discussion I'm honestly ashamed to be having it. It's so childish, so simple minded. But this is where public discourse is nowadays. More evidence of the dumbing down of the population.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Like are you 80 or do you not realize how offensive calling someone "colored people is"?

"Colored people"-Racist
"People of color"- Modern PC term

Makes sense! Or it will after my lobotomy!

Do you not realize how offensive calling someone "the negro is"? It doesn't matter what he said. That's offensive as fuck by any standard and it's not some PC social justice warrior bs.

Yes it is.

If he's some backwards retard that can't get with the times, he will look like a racist. If you don't get what he said, you don't understand race relations.

You're right. We better get to a reeducation camp... Sorry, I mean Ethnic Studies class ASAP!

 

[nikcers]

Bundy is a scientist? How hard is it to understand that you need to respect other peoples beliefs if you don't want to offend them?

 

[CPUd]

These adjectives properly describe Cliven Bundy: Colloquial, antiquated, abrasive, offensive.

This adjective does NOT properly describe him: Racist.

None of that has any place being associated with Rand's campaign.

 

[thechitowncubs]

This was a good interview. Most of america is skeptical of tv media anyways

 

[Crashland]

"Colored people"-Racist
"People of color"- Modern PC term

Makes sense! Or it will after my lobotomy!

Maybe because "colored" was a label used to segregate (eg. "colored" restroom), but "of color" was not?

Don't make fun of the thought police if you are going to go around telling people when it is or isn't okay for them to be offended.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

??

People loudly proclaiming themselves "libertarians" have on the one hand supported government force against private businesses like Melissa's Sweetcakes, and on the other hand defended Bundy's 'negro' comments. So on the right 'libertarian' looks like code for Social Justice Warriors, and on the left 'libertarian' looks like code for White Nationalists.

There are about a couple hundred or so people on my facebook feed - Republican Primary voters all - who utterly despise Rand Paul specifically and exclusively because people keep calling him a libertarian.

I, too, would avoid the label like the plague.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Maybe because "colored" was a label used to segregate (eg. "colored" restroom), but "of color" was not?

You've put a lot more thought into this than they have.

Don't make fun of the thought police if you are going to go around telling people when it is or isn't okay for them to be offended.

I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that they're stupid for being offended, and they should be adults and get the fuck over it. I stopped trying to talk fools out of their foolishness age ago. That's a losing battle. Pointing out that someone is a weak little hothouse flower who falls to pieces when certain words are uttered is not "thought policing".

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Maybe a "symbol of racism" in the eyes of hypersensitive nervous nellies who frame people for Orwellian thought crimes. The man says "negro", which is a word used by scientists to describe people with a certain phenotypic expression originating from sub Saharan Africa, all of a sudden he's a racist. We're not going to judge him based on what he feels in his heart, we're going to judge him based on his words.

These adjectives properly describe Cliven Bundy: Colloquial, antiquated, abrasive, offensive.

This adjective does NOT properly describe him: Racist.

Do we have to go back to 3rd grade kiddies? This is such a low level discussion I'm honestly ashamed to be having it. It's so childish, so simple minded. But this is where public discourse is nowadays. More evidence of the dumbing down of the population.

This is politics. Truth is irrelevant. Only perception matters. If you want to say "to hell with perception, tell the truth!" That's fine, but don't make any plans on electing a President.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You've put a lot more thought into this than they have.


I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that they're stupid for being offended, and they should be adults and get the fuck over it. I stopped trying to talk fools out of their foolishness age ago. That's a losing battle. Pointing out that someone is a weak little hothouse flower who falls to pieces when certain words are uttered is not "thought policing".

Sure! But "You are stupid, now get the fk over it" is simply not a winning electoral strategy.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Sure! But "You are stupid, now get the fk over it" is simply not a winning electoral strategy.

Well, then it's lucky that I'll never be courting votes.. I don't know though, that kind of candor would be incredibly refreshing.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Well, then it's lucky that I'll never be courting votes.. I don't know though, that kind of candor would be incredibly refreshing.

 

[dannno]

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/21/gary-johnson-supports-private-anti-discr

lol, so because one beltway libertarian supports it, all libertarians support it?? He's probably the only libertarian in the world who thinks that way. It amazes me you post in this site and actually have the opinion that libertarians in general would believe that, absolutely absurd.

 

[nikcers]

We must logically fool our illogical selves so we can think outside our own bias bubble. There is always more then one correct answer to every question, you cant completely understand someones point of view until you can completely disagree with your own. Perception is communication, and although we live on the same planet we exist only inside of our own head. we must realize that we are a country that disagrees, because that is our greatest strength. Otherwise we lose the argument, that we should have the right to be left alone.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

lol, so because one beltway libertarian supports it, all libertarians support it?? He's probably the only libertarian in the world who thinks that way. It amazes me you post in this site and actually have the opinion that libertarians in general would believe that, absolutely absurd.

I'm seeing it constantly among self described libertarians. Including those who should obviously know better. It's not just one guy, it's a real problem.

 

[Brett85]

lol, so because one beltway libertarian supports it, all libertarians support it?? He's probably the only libertarian in the world who thinks that way. It amazes me you post in this site and actually have the opinion that libertarians in general would believe that, absolutely absurd.

Like Gunny said, I come across self described libertarians on Facebook who take the position that Gary Johnson takes on that issue. Many self described libertarians simply believe that libertarianism is a combination of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. That's how the media defines the term. That's how the term is most often defined. For that reason I think it would be best if Rand stays as far away from the term as possible.

Also, Gary Johnson is more than just a "beltway libertarian." He was the Libertarian Party's nominee in 2012 and will likely be their nominee again in 2016.

 

[acptulsa]

I think we can disabuse people of the so-called definition that the MSM is hanging on the word, and should.

But I also think that will be a tough and lengthy job, and is probably best tackled after the election.

 

[Vanguard101]

http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/21/gary-johnson-supports-private-anti-discr

Lol so because GJ does it, libertarians in general do it? GJ isn't even the torch bearer of libertarianism.

I was talking to an older black woman the other day and she was describing to me a musician whose name he was trying to remember, and she said "you know, he's a Caucasian man...".

So am I supposed to be offended that she said the word "Caucasian" in my face?

Are you stupid?

"Colored people"-Racist
"People of color"- Modern PC term

Makes sense! Or it will after my lobotomy!


Yes it is.


You're right. We better get to a reeducation camp... Sorry, I mean Ethnic Studies class ASAP!

Are you stupid? Oh you were that guy with ancap confederate flag. I forgot

People loudly proclaiming themselves "libertarians" have on the one hand supported government force against private businesses like Melissa's Sweetcakes, and on the other hand defended Bundy's 'negro' comments. So on the right 'libertarian' looks like code for Social Justice Warriors, and on the left 'libertarian' looks like code for White Nationalists.

There are about a couple hundred or so people on my facebook feed - Republican Primary voters all - who utterly despise Rand Paul specifically and exclusively because people keep calling him a libertarian.

I, too, would avoid the label like the plague.

So you use some leftist libertarians to represent everyone now? I swear this forum is getting stupider by the minute.

 

[tod evans]

Lol so because GJ does it, libertarians in general do it? GJ isn't even the torch bearer of libertarianism.


Are you stupid?


Are you stupid? Oh you were that guy with ancap confederate flag. I forgot


So you use some leftist libertarians to represent everyone now? I swear this forum is getting stupider by the minute.

Want to share some of that superior intellect?

 

[Vanguard101]

Want to share some of that superior intellect?

Are you really telling me you cannot see a difference between calling someone caucasian vs. colored/negro?