Rand Paul: I'm Not a libertarian...

[John F Kennedy III]

What's with the Randroid stuff? Did you just join FOX news or something?

Edit: Rand Slurpers

That's mine, I coined it earlier in this thread.

 

[Christian Liberty]

The last poll I saw showed that about 35% of conservatives support legalizing marijuana, and that number is growing quickly, with a majority of young conservatives supporting legalization. It's hardly an issue where there's a consensus among conservatives.

IIRC 60% of conservatives also feel that, regardless of whether they support legalizing marijuana or not, that a state has a right to do so.

I honestly see no good reason why conservative principles should be opposed to pot legalization, after all, aren't these people supposed to be in favor of small government? I thought conservatives were supposed to be opposed to big government making health decisions for people?

What's with the Randroid stuff? Did you just join FOX news or something?

No, its just an accurate description for some of you guys.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

This thread is alot easier to read now that the Rand Slurpers are on ignore.

 

[Brett85]

I honestly see no good reason why conservative principles should be opposed to pot legalization, after all, aren't these people supposed to be in favor of small government? I thought conservatives were supposed to be opposed to big government making health decisions for people?

That's what I thought. Apparently Frank Rep doesn't believe in the kind of small government conservatism that I support.

 

[Christian Liberty]

After being called a "Paultard" by the Ron Paul haters for years, I'm not bothered by being called "Randroid" by this site's fringe whiners.

For the record, I'm not calling you a Randroid. I said that a Randroid is someone who worships Rand as God and believes he is immune to all criticism. Only you can decide whether you fit in that category or not.

Calling someone a "Paultard" is the most laughable insult ever, considering how brilliant the elder Dr. Paul is. If we called you guys "Randtards" that would be a stupid criticism as well. I like Rand, a lot. I think he's right about most issues. But sometimes he's frankly wrong and deserves to be called out. Those on the sight that think virtually any criticism of Rand is offensive are the Randroids.

In other words, if you believe in freedom and support legalizing marijuana, that means that you actually support using marijuana yourself and would advocate that others use it. It couldn't simply be that some of us don't want to spend billions of taxpayer dollars locking up non violent people and putting them in prison.

That, and that we think kidnapping is immoral


I suppose Big Government Conservatives will just never get it...

 

[FrankRep]

I think libertarians sometimes suffer from "libertarian Self-sabotage Syndrome" where as soon as anyone libertarian-related starts winning or becomes successful, they must immediately attack that person with full force like a pack of rabid dogs.

The biggest enemy of libertarians are not statists, on the contrary, the libertarians biggest enemy are other libertarians.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think libertarians sometimes suffer from "Libertarian Self-sabotage Syndrome" where as soon as anyone libertarian-related starts winning or becomes successful, they must immediately attack that person with full force like a pack of rabid dogs.

The biggest enemy of Libertarians are not Statists, on the contrary, the Libertarians biggest enemy are other Libertarians.

No kidding.

 

[jmdrake]

smh. this thread is useless bickering.

Lets look at the facts here
1)Rand used censorship MONTHS AGO to subvert truth about the election

Link?

2)He has been bought out by the same lobbyists his father boycotted

Opinion

3)He supports drone warfare [in our own country I might add, which seems opposite of what freedom is about]

Misleading. Rand actually stood up against drone warfare. More importantly, he's against extrajudicial killing of any kind. The point that he made, which apparently went over your head, is that at a certain level it doesn't matter what technology a government agent uses to kill you, but rather whether the circumstances justify the killing. Adam Kokesh, no "Rand fan", explains the problem with your "facts."

4) He not only supports the GOP, but supports the Israeli government.

Does he support sending money to Israel? No? Then everything else is irrelevant.

5)Has flip flopped on the issue of drugs and the war on marijuana

His position hasn't changed. Drugs are a states issue, not a federal one.

6) and lastly no longer will talk about this!

And Ron Paul won't talk about the "truth about 9/11" whatever he believes that to be.

In conclusion don't be a sheep QUESTION EVERYONE, EVERYTHING, AND DO NOT CREATE A NEW PARADIGM!

Sure. Just be honest, thorough and consistent in your questioning.

 

[fr33]

I think libertarians sometimes suffer from "Libertarian Self-sabotage Syndrome" where as soon as anyone libertarian-related starts winning or becomes successful, they must immediately attack that person with full force like a pack of rabid dogs.

The biggest enemy of Libertarians are not Statists, on the contrary, the Libertarians biggest enemy are other Libertarians.

I can only think that you are referring to the party since you use the big L.

 

[Spikender]

I think libertarians sometimes suffer from "Libertarian Self-sabotage Syndrome" where as soon as anyone libertarian-related starts winning or becomes successful, they must immediately attack that person with full force like a pack of rabid dogs.

The biggest enemy of Libertarians are not Statists, on the contrary, the Libertarians biggest enemy are other Libertarians.

That is a very inaccurate description of what's going on here.

But I agree that our biggest enemy happens to be ourselves.

Hence why I've always thought that, at the very least, RPF can never be called an echo chamber.

 

[erowe1]

Oh. Dear. God. are you dense?

It's pretty easy for almost everyone else. I can't help it if you're dense.

That's NOT what this thread has been about. Randroids sure are dense!

Please consult:
http://thesaurus.com/browse/dense

 

[Christian Liberty]

That's what I thought. Apparently Frank Rep doesn't believe in the kind of small government conservatism that I support.

I guess not EVERYONE here would be considered a radical libertarian in the real world

Frank just admitted that he supports the drug war, at least for heroin (And who knows what else.) Eric Peters posted a really good article on this today: The bottom line is that if you seek to deny someone else the right to be stupid, someone is going to use that same government to infringe on your freedom. I view basically all of government action through the Golden Rule. As a Christian, I don't think it would be right to use institutional violence against the peaceful because I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me.

Just wondering, TradCon, what do you see as the fundamental difference between a small government conservative and a libertarian, and what side do you consider yourself to be on? I'm just wondering because I've always struggled to define exactly where moderate libertarianism ends and small government conservatism begins.

 

[Michigan11]

Week 1 Day 5 12th hour and 45 minutes into this thread discussion....

 

[jmdrake]

This thread is alot easier to read now that the Rand Slurpers are on ignore.

Are you going to put Alex Jones on ignore?

 

[FrankRep]

That's what I thought. Apparently Frank Rep doesn't believe in the kind of small government conservatism that I support.

I'm trying to get Rand Paul elected. Rand Paul will never get the nomination with your radical "legalize Heroin" platform.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I think libertarians sometimes suffer from "libertarian Self-sabotage Syndrome" where as soon as anyone libertarian-related starts winning or becomes successful, they must immediately attack that person with full force like a pack of rabid dogs.

The biggest enemy of libertarians are not statists, on the contrary, the libertarians biggest enemy are other libertarians.

That would require Rand Paul to actually be a libertarian. Which is hillarious if you actually listen to what he says. Rand is a conservative Republican first and a Ron Paul supporter second. I can live with that but I'm not going to pretend that its not true, nor am I going to pretend that Rand has actually managed to hang in Washington District of Criminals this long without picking up the slightest of actual influence. Rand Paul is still better than anyone else in the senate but I'm not convinced that he's exactly the same as he was before he went into DC.

 

[Spikender]

Are you going to put Alex Jones on ignore?

Come now, that was before Rand said this. Play fair.

 

[Brett85]

Just wondering, TradCon, what do you see as the fundamental difference between a small government conservative and a libertarian, and what side do you consider yourself to be on? I'm just wondering because I've always struggled to define exactly where moderate libertarianism ends and small government conservatism begins.

I'm not sure. I do have some disagreements with libertarians, but the drug war isn't one of them. I disagree with libertarians on a few issues like abortion, gay marriage, border security, and the death penalty. Many libertarians would disagree with me on those issues. My ideology overall is basically a combination of libertarianism and conservatism. I'm kind of a "libertarian conservative." That's kind of what Rand calls himself, but it seems as though I'm quite a bit more libertarian than Rand when I support completely ending the drug war and basically legalizing everything in which there's no victim. (Gay marriage is not a crime, so I don't believe my rule applies to that issue)

 

[Christian Liberty]

I'm trying to get Rand Paul elected. Rand Paul will never get the nomination with your radical "legalize Heroin" platform.

You know what? If I have to advocate institutionalized kidnapping in order to win, than screw winning. Its not actually doable anyway...

All TradCon has actually told Rand Paul to do is to say that drug laws should be left to the states. He won't even clearly convey that message.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Are you going to put Alex Jones on ignore?

Or Ron Paul: http://www.ronpaul.com/2013-04-26/ron-paul-rand-paul-and-i-are-about-99-the-same/

Or himself: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414390-Rand-Paul-I-m-Not-a-libertarian/