Rand Paul: GOP is 'responsible' for my debate exclusion

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For exiling him to the short-pants debate. “Do they really not want liberty voters in their party?” Rand said. Of course not. See the treatment of your dad in 2008 and 2012.

Added Rand: “I am the one voice saying we shouldn’t make the sand glow. I am the one voice saying we shouldn’t be collecting all — the government shouldn’t be collecting all your records, and I’m the one voice saying we shouldn’t lock up every kid for marijuana.”

So, supporting total war on ISIS–even declaring war on it, but no nukes, is pro-liberty. Some government spying on us; caging some kids for marijuana, those are pro-liberty, too.

Ron Paul said: no surveillance state; no warfare state; no drug war. But such ideas had to be jettisoned in return for electoral success.
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Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is blaming the GOP for his exclusion from the main debate stage in this week's Republican presidential debate, saying the decision may cost the party the support of libertarian voters.

"They have been saying for months they're going to narrow the field, but I don't think it's the job of the establishment in the Republican Party to decide who is and who isn't [in],” he said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Wednesday morning.
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Paul, who is boycotting the “undercard” debate that will be held before the main event, said he's being pushed out because he has a "unique voice."
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"Do they really not want liberty voters in their party?” he said.
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Like Lew said, "Of course not." They hate us for our freedoms.
 
Lew is a joke, so wish I could tell him so in person.

yes, Rand is pro liberty. So is Ron, even though he voted for war with Afghanistan.

what they aren't is racist assholes like you Lew.
 
ARealConservative said:
So is Ron, even though he voted for war with Afghanistan.
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Yeah...total fucking hawk right? :rolleyes:

He voted for an AMF to go after those individuals responsible for 9/11, and he opposed the war once it quickly turned into something else. There's no need for a qualification statement of Ron being pro-liberty just because he voted for self defense.
 
thatpeculiarcat said:
Yeah...total fucking hawk right? :rolleyes:

He voted for an AMF to go after those individuals responsible for 9/11, and he opposed the war once it quickly turned into something else. There's no need for a qualification statement of Ron being pro-liberty just because he voted for self defense.
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Ron Paul voted for declaration of war in Afghanistan, and yes, he is still pro liberty.

Lew is still a douchebag
 
ARealConservative said:
Ron Paul voted for declaration of war in Afghanistan, and yes, he is still pro liberty.

Lew is still a douchebag
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Ron Paul drafted formal declarations of war for Iraq (and someone will have to fact check me on this, but I think Afghanistan as well)--which he said he would vote against if they were allowed to be voted on--just to keep his colleagues honest about what they were doing in those countries.

There was no declaration of war against Afghanistan, and Ron certainly did not vote for it. There have only ever been Authorizations for Military Force, and the stated purpose for the AMF that Ron originally voted for was to go after those responsible for 9/11.
 
thatpeculiarcat said:
Ron Paul drafted formal declarations of war for Iraq (and someone will have to fact check me on this, but I think Afghanistan as well)--which he said he would vote against if they were allowed to be voted on--just to keep his colleagues honest about what they were doing in those countries.

There was no declaration of war against Afghanistan, and Ron certainly did not vote for it. There have only ever been Authorizations for Military Force, and the stated purpose for the AMF that Ron originally voted for was to go after those responsible for 9/11.
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he voted for Afghan military force.

This is semantic bullshit.

I would hope liberty supporters wouldn’t pull that crap.

Congress has the duty to declare war.

Rand declaring war on ISIS, and Ron voting yes for authorization for military force really is the same thing, but in this case at least Rand did what he is supposed to.

Passing the buck and given the president the decision is a cop out, I’m not going to praise Ron for how he handled that and criticize Rand for the constitutional method.
 
What is up Lew's ass? I don't care if he is critical of some of his moves, if he wants to point out that Rand isn't quite as pure as Ron, then so be it, but don't try and act like Rand is some war hawk. Rand has been the only one to be reluctant for war.

Yes, I know Lew is referencing rand's declaration of war on isis from a year ago, which I don't blame people for being upset about despite Rand making the claim it was to prove a constitutional point that war can only be authorized by congress, but if he's going to go after him for that do it on the basis that he thinks it was a silly maneuver to try and prove a point, not that he is just like any other blood thirsty politican.

Rand was trying to show that the previous authorized use of military Force was no longer applicable and the actions being taken in the middle east were unconstitutional. Rand never brought it up for the purpose of going to war, if Lew wants to knock him for thinking it was a bad move then fine, but don't be dishonest and claim Rand is for war. Rand has been consistent in that he doesn't want to be back in the middle east and that it's our intervention that is causing many of the issues to begin with. Rand is the one getting blasted by the media and Republican party for not wanting to go to war, and here Lew is trying to say Rand is for war.
 
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Whatever.

Everything that can possibly be done to explain this to you dunderheads has already been done.

Enjoy your inevitable electoral victories. :rolleyes:
 
libertyplz said:
What is up Lew's ass? I don't care if he is critical of some of his moves, if he wants to point out that Rand isn't quite as pure as Ron, then so be it, but don't try and act like Rand is some war hawk. Rand has been the only one to be reluctant for war.

Yes, I know Lew is referencing rand's declaration of war on isis from a year ago, which I don't blame people for being upset about despite Rand making the claim it was to prove a constitutional point that war can only be authorized by congress, but if he's going to go after him for that do it on the basis that he thinks it was a silly maneuver to try and prove a point, not that he is just like any other blood thirsty politican.

Rand was trying to show that the previous authorized use of military Force was no longer applicable and the actions being taken in the middle east were unconstitutional. Rand never brought it up for the purpose of going to war, if Lew wants to knock him for thinking it was a bad move then fine, but don't be dishonest and claim Rand is for war. Rand has been consistent in that he doesn't want to be back in the middle east and that it's our intervention that is causing many of the issues to begin with. Rand is the one getting blasted by the media and Republican party for not wanting to go to war, and here Lew is trying to say Rand is for war.
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Lew Rockwell is a fanatic and also a complete narcissist. He's pissed off at Rand for not making him a senior part of his election team, which was a smart move considering that Lew is a loose cannon and would be a total liability as he was for Ron back in 2008. Don't read anything ideological into Lew's writings about Rand, or anything negative that Tom Woods puts out about him for that matter, this all Lew and a few others being butt-hurt about Rand not kissing their asses often enough.
 
hells_unicorn said:
Lew Rockwell is a fanatic and also a complete narcissist. He's pissed off at Rand for not making him a senior part of his election team, which was a smart move considering that Lew is a loose cannon and would be a total liability as he was for Ron back in 2008. Don't read anything ideological into Lew's writings about Rand, or anything negative that Tom Woods puts out about him for that matter, this all Lew and a few others being butt-hurt about Rand not kissing their asses often enough.
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yep.

and when Lew cried about his site losing money, I laughed long and hard.
 
Rand was on the Alex Jones show a few minutes ago, and asked listeners to call Reince Priebus.
 
Lew's mad, you're mad, I'm mad...lots of us are mad.

Who knows where Rand would be if he had sounded more like Ron. I can say, I have read a lot of conservatives say he wasn't fooling anyone and that he is more like his dad than he's letting on. Is that even true? I don't know.

I do know, for all his faults, he's still the best man for the job.

Purism is Practical
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?487693-Purism-is-Practical
 
Ron is not a pure libertarian and Rand is not a sellout and he isn't stealthily hiding his views. Rand is a not-insane libertarian and has run his campaign as such.

Lew is in no position to judge Rand's libertarian policy bone fides. Lew is the last person on Earth I want articulating what a libertarian should believe. Lew should stick his populist niche pumping up Trump and David Duke and not conflate what he believes with liberty.
 
ARealConservative said:
Lew is a joke, so wish I could tell him so in person.

yes, Rand is pro liberty. So is Ron, even though he voted for war with Afghanistan.

what they aren't is racist assholes like you Lew.
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"Llewellyn Harrison "Lew" Rockwell, Jr. is an American libertarian author and editor, self-professed anarcho-capitalist, a promoter of the Austrian School of economics, and founder and chairman of the Ludwig von Mises Institute." ~Wikipedia


Reason magazine reported Rockwell was a founding officer and former Vice President at Ron Paul & Associates[15] which was one of the publishers of a variety of political and investment-oriented newsletters bearing Paul's name.[16][17]

In January 2008, during Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign, James Kirchick of the New Republic uncovered a collection of Ron Paul newsletters and alleged that they "reveal decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays."[17][18] For instance, one issue of a newsletter described African-Americans as "animals",[17] another asserted that 95% of them were criminals,[19] and another approved of the slogan "Sodomy = Death" and said homosexuals suffering from HIV/AIDS "enjoy the pity and attention that comes with being sick".[17]

Kirchick noted that most of the articles contained no bylines.[17] Numerous sources alleged that Rockwell had ghostwritten the controversial newsletters;[20] Rockwell is listed as "contributing editor" on physical copies of some newsletters[21][22] and listed as sole Editor of the May 1988 "Ron Paul investment Newsletter".[23] Reason magazine reported that "a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists – including some still close to Paul" had identified Rockwell as the "chief ghostwriter" of the newsletters,[15] as did former Ron Paul Chief of Staff (1981–1985) John W. Robbins.[24]

Rockwell admitted to Kirchick that he was "involved in the promotion" of the newsletters and wrote the subscription letters but denied ghostwriting the articles. He said there were "seven or eight freelancers involved at various stages" of the newsletter's history and indicated another individual who had "left in unfortunate circumstances", but whom he did not identify, was in charge of editing and publishing the newsletters.[25] Ron Paul himself repudiated the newsletters' content and said he was not involved in the daily operations of the newsletters or saw much of their content until years later.



Lew denied writing the worst articles, so we do not know for certain if he is a "racist asshole".
 
Indy Vidual said:
"Llewellyn Harrison "Lew" Rockwell, Jr. is an American libertarian author and editor, self-professed anarcho-capitalist, a promoter of the Austrian School of economics, and founder and chairman of the Ludwig von Mises Institute." ~Wikipedia


Reason magazine reported Rockwell was a founding officer and former Vice President at Ron Paul & Associates[15] which was one of the publishers of a variety of political and investment-oriented newsletters bearing Paul's name.[16][17]

In January 2008, during Ron Paul's 2008 presidential campaign, James Kirchick of the New Republic uncovered a collection of Ron Paul newsletters and alleged that they "reveal decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays."[17][18] For instance, one issue of a newsletter described African-Americans as "animals",[17] another asserted that 95% of them were criminals,[19] and another approved of the slogan "Sodomy = Death" and said homosexuals suffering from HIV/AIDS "enjoy the pity and attention that comes with being sick".[17]

Kirchick noted that most of the articles contained no bylines.[17] Numerous sources alleged that Rockwell had ghostwritten the controversial newsletters;[20] Rockwell is listed as "contributing editor" on physical copies of some newsletters[21][22] and listed as sole Editor of the May 1988 "Ron Paul investment Newsletter".[23] Reason magazine reported that "a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists – including some still close to Paul" had identified Rockwell as the "chief ghostwriter" of the newsletters,[15] as did former Ron Paul Chief of Staff (1981–1985) John W. Robbins.[24]

Rockwell admitted to Kirchick that he was "involved in the promotion" of the newsletters and wrote the subscription letters but denied ghostwriting the articles. He said there were "seven or eight freelancers involved at various stages" of the newsletter's history and indicated another individual who had "left in unfortunate circumstances", but whom he did not identify, was in charge of editing and publishing the newsletters.[25] Ron Paul himself repudiated the newsletters' content and said he was not involved in the daily operations of the newsletters or saw much of their content until years later.



Lew denied writing the worst articles, so we do not know for certain if he is a "racist asshole".
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Open Letter To Lew Rockwell – From John Robbins

Dear Lew,

You have now had three opportunities –1996, 2001, and 2008 — to prove that you are a friend of Ron Paul and freedom, and you have failed to do so each time.

This week, for the third time, the puerile, racist, and completely un-Pauline comments that all informed people say you have caused to appear in Ron’s newsletters over the course of several years have become an issue in his campaign. This time the stakes are even higher than before. He is seeking nationwide office, the Republican nomination for President, and his campaign is attracting millions of supporters, not tens of thousands.

Three times you have failed to come forward and admit responsibility for and complicity in the scandals. You have allowed Ron to twist slowly in the wind. Because of your silence, Ron has been forced to issue repeated statements of denial, to answer repeated questions in multiple interviews, and to be embarrassed on national television. Your callous disregard for both Ron and his millions of supporters is unconscionable.

If you were Dr. Paul’s friend, or a friend of freedom, as you pretend to be, by now you would have stepped forward, assumed responsibility for those asinine and harmful comments, resigned from any connection to Ron or his campaign, and relieved Ron of the burden of having to repeatedly deny the charges of racism. But you have not done so, and so the scandal continues to detract from Ron’s message.

You know as well as I do that Ron does not have a racist bone in his body, yet those racist remarks went out under his name, not yours. Pretty clever. But now it’s time to man up, Lew. Admit your role, and exonerate Ron. You should have done it years ago.

John Robbins, Ph.D.
Chief of Staff
Dr. Ron Paul, 1981-1985
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https://godshammer.wordpress.com/2008/01/12/open-letter-to-lew-rockwell/
 
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