Rand Paul gets speaking slot at Republican National Convention

[AuH20]

not all Republicans endorsed before convention. And no one else's son did. Just saying.

Which leads me to believe a tentative deal was made. Romney did not want the convention to turn into a circus, thus undermining his candidacy. He is keenly aware how vulnerable he is on the right flank. He had to temporarily corral in the Pauls, but this agreement was not cheap.

 

[sailingaway]

Which leads me to believe a tentative deal was made. Romney did not want the convention to turn into a circus, thus undermining his candidacy. He is keenly aware how vulnerable he is on the right flank. He had to temporarily corral in the Pauls, but this agreement was not cheap.

all your speculation that Ron and Rand cooked the endorsement up together is only speculation, and Ron's speech in Texas that very same day sure makes it seem unlikely. Have you watched it? That very day he was saying 'If I were elected president' and in addressing the assigned topic of 'Republican unity' said there is no use to unify behind bad ideas, that we should unify behind the Constitution, and he said conventions should have multiple candidates nominated from the floor for delegates to pick. Hours later on a prescheduled show appearance Rand endorsed.

At this point it has happened, and everyone has their opinion of it, but I would have a hard time believing Ron was in any way behind setting it up.

 

[AuH20]

all your speculation that Ron and Rand cooked the endorsement up together is only speculation, and Ron's speech in Texas that very same day sure makes it seem unlikely. Have you watched it? That very day he was saying 'If I were elected president' and in addressing the assigned topic of 'Republican unity' said there is no use to unify behind bad ideas, that we should unify behind the Constitution, and he said conventions should have multiple candidates nominated from the floor for delegates to pick. Hours later on a prescheduled show appearance Rand endorsed.

At this point it has happened, and everyone has their opinion of it.

Agreed. But I have a hard time believing Rand went to Romney's people for future policy negotiations without Ron's blessing and knowledge. We're talking about a close knit family and a father/son team that have had each other's backs for quite some time.

 

[sailingaway]

Agreed. But I have a hard time believing Rand went to Romney's people for future policy negotiations without Ron's blessing and knowledge. We're talking about a close knit family and a father/son team that have had each other's backs for quite some time.

The speech that day sure sounds contrary to the idea Ron was in on it.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Because by being friendly, he gets access to Hannity's audience, and can make the case for things like doing away with the Patriot Act, doing away with foreign aid to Pakistan (to start with), and auditing the Fed. Maybe those aren't good enough reasons to smile and make nice to you, but they are to Rand, because he takes a longer view.

Does he talk about those things on Hannity's show? I can't stomach him, so I don't know. It really doesn't matter though, because come 2016 if he talks about those things you will have Rubio and Hannity on there giggling about weak Rand is on foreign policy and that we need to keep the troops on the ground in Iran for 100 years and turn Pakistan into a parking lot and have the government put tracking chips in all of the towel heads, all the while blood is dripping from their chins.

 

[coffeewithchess]

all your speculation that Ron and Rand cooked the endorsement up together is only speculation, and Ron's speech in Texas that very same day sure makes it seem unlikely. Have you watched it? That very day he was saying 'If I were elected president' and in addressing the assigned topic of 'Republican unity' said there is no use to unify behind bad ideas, that we should unify behind the Constitution, and he said conventions should have multiple candidates nominated from the floor for delegates to pick. Hours later on a prescheduled show appearance Rand endorsed.

At this point it has happened, and everyone has their opinion of it, but I would have a hard time believing Ron was in any way behind setting it up.

Sailingaway, why do you think Ron didn't know what Rand was doing then, and now? Ron Paul allowed his website to be used at least three times to defend Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitt Romney. If the speech in Texas was so important, why didn't the campaign tape it professionally and put it up on the site instead of Jack "I Won't Answer Legitimate Questions" Hunter's pieces?

Ron Paul is more responsible for the implosion of his campaign, than anybody else. It was his name/record on the line. It's just a shame that the Paul's apparently have a bunch ignorant PR people that don't know how to write a proper endorsement for national television.
Now that we know Rand is speaking at the convention, I don't even know if there is a reason to wait on holding back on videos now...but patience is a virtue, so I'll hold.

Also, if Ron Paul isn't endorsing Romney, or voting for him, why doesn't he just say "No, I'm not voting for him. I am not Rand Paul, my son makes his own decisions and I make mine. Americans would be better off looking at third party options, than Mitt Romney and President Obama.", just like he did in 2008? Does anybody think that is honestly going to happen now? Or, are some around here still thinking the campaign was run honestly?

 

[AuH20]

Does he talk about those things on Hannity's show? I can't stomach him, so I don't know. It really doesn't matter though, because come 2016 if he talks about those things you will have Rubio and Hannity on there giggling about weak Rand is on foreign policy and that we need to keep the troops on the ground in Iran for 100 years and turn Pakistan into a parking lot and have the government put tracking chips in all of the towel heads, all the while blood is dripping from their chins.

Let them. The federal coffers are empty. They will exhibit their ignorance for the entire country to see. Rand has them exactly where he wants them. He has all the staggering numbers at his disposal to hammer these clowns too.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That bridge was already blown up....by Hannity.

You sound like you have already given up, because we have to win over Republican voters. That is what all this is about.

Why should Rand take the chance of pissing off so many of his father's supporters to gain the support of Sean Hannity's? Hmmm?

Maybe he thought we would have the common sense to know that he is going after Hannity's audience.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Let them. The federal coffers are empty. They will exhibit their ignorance for the entire country to see. Rand has them exactly where he wants them.

The federal coffers are never empty. They can refill them at will. The suffering we will feel as a result will be blamed on something else, and the sheep will buy it like they always do, otherwise their ignorance would have been exposed this time around. Rand will face the same attacks Ron did. Nothing will change, and the "compromise" will have been for nothing.

 

[AuH20]

The federal coffers are never empty. They can refill them at will. The suffering we will feel as a result will be blamed on something else, and the sheep will buy it like they always do, otherwise their ignorance would have been exposed this time around. Rand will face the same attacks Ron did. Nothing will change, and the "compromise" will have been for nothing.

Not if the external financing ceases. Some entity besides the Federal Reserve must continue to buy treasury bonds. The MIC's reign is coming to a close and they know it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Sailingaway, why do you think Ron didn't know what Rand was doing then, and now? Ron Paul allowed his website to be used at least three times to defend Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitt Romney. If the speech in Texas was so important, why didn't the campaign tape it professionally and put it up on the site instead of Jack "I Won't Answer Legitimate Questions" Hunter's pieces?

Ron Paul is more responsible for the implosion of his campaign, than anybody else. It was his name/record on the line. It's just a shame that the Paul's apparently have a bunch ignorant PR people that don't know how to write a proper endorsement for national television.
Now that we know Rand is speaking at the convention, I don't even know if there is a reason to wait on holding back on videos now...but patience is a virtue, so I'll hold.

Also, if Ron Paul isn't endorsing Romney, or voting for him, why doesn't he just say "No, I'm not voting for him. I am not Rand Paul, my son makes his own decisions and I make mine. Americans would be better off looking at third party options, than Mitt Romney and President Obama.", just like he did in 2008? Does anybody think that is honestly going to happen now? Or, are some around here still thinking the campaign was run honestly?

What kind of videos are you talking about?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Nepotism has always been Ron Pauls weak point.

He hired Benton (a common con artist) and allowed him to run off with nearly half a million dollars belonging to the grassroots. The campaign was doomed from the very start and it's not entirely unreasonable to assume that Ron Paul is unequivocally incompetent had we not known his true desire - that is, that he knew he was never going to win. I just don't get why people allowed themselves to throw away so much of their hard earned cash on this...

Where is the proof of your claim?

Paul got 35 million dollars and blew it. Other Libertarians don't get an eight of that to work with....look at Johnson, his entire campaign funds are less than what Benton demanded salary wise...the banners, the adverts on RP sites...it was mad stuff. People seen a way to make a quick buck off us and they did, millions in fact.

You are spreading lies. Again. You are counting campaign expense reimbursements as his salary.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Not if the external financing ceases. Some entity besides the Federal Reserve must continue to buy treasury bonds. The MIC's reign is coming to a close and they know it.

Treasury bonds will continue to have some value as long as dollars are required to pay for oil, hence the need to keep our guns pointed at every oil producing nation. They can play this game for quite a while yet, and when the game is over, the starving sheep will be looking for their government to feed them, not for some guy who Hannity and O' Reilly are making fun of who believes in the free market.

 

[cajuncocoa]

You sound like you have already given up, because we have to win over Republican voters. That is what all this is about.

Maybe he thought we would have the common sense to know that he is going after Hannity's audience.

You win them over by being who you are....not by pretending to be one of them. Make them come to us (that's how we all got here, right?) Either they get it or they don't. If they don't, we keep losing elections... but we get to keep our soul.

 

[Kade]

He bent his knee and opened his mouth... now he receives the blessing. Even this betrayal couldn't buy his father, someone far more deserving to speak, a ticket.

Ron Paul isn't speaking. The circus continues, you are all be dragged towards inadvertent massive government expenditures, like always.

If you support one of the big parties, you support big government. If you know you support bigger government, you are a Democratic. If you think you are supporting less government, and support this clown, you are a Republican.

Any questions?

I wish you folks would quit playing this stupid game. You've been had. Your kids will be had. Your grandkids will be had. Wake the hell up.

 

[Eire4RonPaul]

Where is the proof of your claim?

You are spreading lies. Again. You are counting campaign expense reimbursements as his salary.

Don't get me started on reimbursements - the grassroots donate and the Paul campaign divide up the spoils. There was millions left over in 2008 and all we got was a website....lol. You've been duped. Again. I never seen a cent of your money going into attacking Mitt Romney during the campaign...what I did see was a hell of a lot of your money being pumped into attacking Romneys immediate rivals like Gingrich and Santorum.

I have close friends that took leaves of absence from their jobs to work promoting Paul in various areas - none of them received a dime for their hard work. Yet, Paul divides up grassroots money...donations from the very people that can hardly afford it to fund his lavish campaign committee, Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul, paid salaries to his daughter, his grandson, his daughter’s mother-in-law, his granddaughter, his grandson-in-law, and another relative. In addition, his campaign committee reimbursed several other relatives and paid his brother’s accounting firm. Finally, Liberty PAC reimbursed him to pay his brother’s accounting firm, and paid his daughter a salary. These are real reports that have to be examined...Jesse Benton is Pauls son-in-law - he got paid for grabbing what he could raid from the cookie jar and high tailed it only after throwing off delegates that were attending caucuses that week when he said on live TV Paul was winding down his campaign...this was a pivotal moment.

Don't you see that other Libertarians that could run for President are operating their entire campaign on less than what Benton raided from the jar??

 

[sailingaway]

Sailingaway, why do you think Ron didn't know what Rand was doing then, and now? ?

I specifically said why, because Ron's speech right before Rand's endorsement was the speech of a man fighting for the nomination and for principle, intending to win the second, if not the first.

 

[sailingaway]

Don't get me started on reimbursements - the grassroots donate and the Paul campaign divide up the spoils. There was millions left over in 2008 and all we got was a website....lol. You've been duped. Again. I never seen a cent of your money going into attacking Mitt Romney during the campaign...what I did see was a hell of a lot of your money being pumped into attacking Romneys immediate rivals like Gingrich and Santorum.

I have close friends that took leaves of absence from their jobs to work promoting Paul in various areas - none of them received a dime for their hard work. Yet, Paul divides up grassroots money...donations from the very people that can hardly afford it to fund his lavish campaign committee, Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul, paid salaries to his daughter, his grandson, his daughter’s mother-in-law, his granddaughter, his grandson-in-law, and another relative. In addition, his campaign committee reimbursed several other relatives and paid his brother’s accounting firm. Finally, Liberty PAC reimbursed him to pay his brother’s accounting firm, and paid his daughter a salary. These are real reports that have to be examined...Jesse Benton is Pauls son-in-law - he got paid for grabbing what he could raid from the cookie jar and high tailed it only after throwing off delegates that were attending caucuses that week when he said on live TV Paul was winding down his campaign...this was a pivotal moment.

Don't you see that other Libertarians that could run for President are operating their entire campaign on less than what Benton raided from the jar??

do not be so sloppy talking about 'dividing up spoils' there are strict rules and laws on what can be done and you are not portraying an accurate picture. I am EXCEEDINGLY unhappy with the campaign, but I am not going to lie about it.

 

[amonasro]

Don't get me started on reimbursements - the grassroots donate and the Paul campaign divide up the spoils. There was millions left over in 2008 and all we got was a website....lol. You've been duped. Again. I never seen a cent of your money going into attacking Mitt Romney during the campaign...what I did see was a hell of a lot of your money being pumped into attacking Romneys immediate rivals like Gingrich and Santorum.

I have close friends that took leaves of absence from their jobs to work promoting Paul in various areas - none of them received a dime for their hard work. Yet, Paul divides up grassroots money...donations from the very people that can hardly afford it to fund his lavish campaign committee, Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul, paid salaries to his daughter, his grandson, his daughter’s mother-in-law, his granddaughter, his grandson-in-law, and another relative. In addition, his campaign committee reimbursed several other relatives and paid his brother’s accounting firm. Finally, Liberty PAC reimbursed him to pay his brother’s accounting firm, and paid his daughter a salary. These are real reports that have to be examined...Jesse Benton is Pauls son-in-law - he got paid for grabbing what he could raid from the cookie jar and high tailed it only after throwing off delegates that were attending caucuses that week when he said on live TV Paul was winding down his campaign...this was a pivotal moment.

Don't you see that other Libertarians that could run for President are operating their entire campaign on less than what Benton raided from the jar??

These are serious claims that require serious evidence, of which you offer none.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

Some are; some aren't. But, for someone who is touting themselves as a libertarian, you sure do use a lot of collectivism.

Early in the campaign, Ron Paul was polling in the 20 percentiles. What's the best the Libertarian Party has ever attained? 1 or 2 percent? So, from where do you think Ron got all those votes, eh? Because it was much more than the Libertarians or even the Ron Paul hard core.

The point always missed...