Rand Paul - Defense Spending Bill

[Galileo Galilei]

He voted against Rubio's. No one is talking about how this gave him cover to vote no on the Rubio amendment which actually might have passed and increased the military spending.

This is good.

 

[Valli6]

For comparison, vote totals on Rubio's S. Amdt. 423

For comparison, here's the vote on Rubio's S.Amdt.423 (which failed).
3/26/15

YEAs - 32
NAYs - 68
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=114&session=1&vote=00096​

 

[kbs021]

Mike Lee, Ernst, and other conservatives (real or fake) voted no on Rubio's plan. I am actually in shock that Cruz voted for this horrible spending increase. I am not a cruz fan, but I was genuinely surprised that he would go on record for this. This has to be used in debates. Having Cruz on record for this would have to resonate with those who are concerned about the debt that are taking a look at him. Cruz was the only one on the stage that could try to take the anti-debt stance with Paul and he lost that. Does anyone have an idea of why he wouldn't have voted yes for Paul's plan too due to it being the same with other cuts included? This is crazy that Paul got Cruz to reveal himself this early and so soon after he announced.

 

[surf]

I don't think Freud theorized this but I have a theory that some people subconsciously wish so badly Ron were their father...

my theory is that peace is paramount and prosperity follows. hence the responses of those of us that are so disappointed that Rand will play these games or take these positions that tend to run contrary (or at least not in a straight line) to peace.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

I cannot understand how people here defended Ron's pork barrel spending, AUMF, DOMA, etc but are so outraged and offended by what Rand is doing. He knew his amendment would not pass. Anybody with a brain knew it would not pass. Just look at the vote. He made other Republicans admit that they are deficit spenders no matter what.

I don't think Freud theorized this but I have a theory that some people subconsciously wish so badly Ron were their father that they seek every chance to find a fault with Rand. Ever since Rand started his 2010 campaign people have been holding him to a higher standard than his father. They don't even care about voting records. They care more about showing how liberty they are through talk rather than results.

I don't give Ron a pass for his errors, and instead of using them as an excuse for Rand to take greater liberties with... well, liberty, Ron's errors should be learned from and eliminated. Not expanded upon and used for an excuse for every deviance from the liberty position.

 

[sylcfh]

What major spending did Ron sign off on?

 

[Krugminator2]

What major spending did Ron sign off on?

Well, he loaded must pass bills up with pork for his district. He was one of the worst (if not the worst) abusers when he was Congress.

It isn't that Ron Paul was a bad person. He was a POLITICIAN. And that isn't the only issue where he was a politician. I'm not gong to continue bashing Ron Paul. I'm pointing out how illogical it is for so many people to criticize Rand Paul for this kind of minor stuff (which I consider a positive) and at the same time accept Ron Paul's explanation for a tangible, major abuse of principle that actually impacted the budget.

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Earmarks didn't impact the budget. It's just directing spending that was already appropriated and would otherwise be directed by the executive.

Pretty stunning that you're repeating such an obvious lie and smear about Congressman Paul after all these years. This is generally a forum for Ron Paul supporters, not Ron Paul smearers.

 

[LawnWake]

Ron was trying to reappropriate spending back to the district that he was voted in to represent. Since he believed he was responsible to reparate them for taxes the federal government took from them. That's sound reasoning.

 

[Krugminator2]

Earmarks didn't impact the budget. It's just directing spending that was already appropriated and would otherwise be directed by the executive.

Pretty stunning that you're repeating such an obvious lie and smear about Congressman Paul after all these years. This is generally a forum for Ron Paul supporters, not Ron Paul smearers.

You couldn't have demonstrated my point more pithily. And yes, I am very well aware of his argument.

 

[Murray N Rothbard]

I know he is just trying to get elected and all...but sorry, Rand. You're hitting new lows. Shifting power and money from one element of government to another with no overall net change is just reshuffling the deck. Taking from domestic programs and giving to military programs is George Bush level Neocon shenanigans. If this is all we can expect from a Rand presidency then I see no point.

 

[IndianaPolitico]

I know he is just trying to get elected and all...but sorry, Rand. You're hitting new lows. Shifting power and money from one element of government to another with no overall net change is just reshuffling the deck. Taking from domestic programs and giving to military programs is George Bush level Neocon shenanigans. If this is all we can expect from a Rand presidency then I see no point.

Did you even read this thread?

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

I am very well aware

If you are aware of the truth, why do you lie?

 

[TheGrinch]

I don't give Ron a pass for his errors, and instead of using them as an excuse for Rand to take greater liberties with... well, liberty, Ron's errors should be learned from and eliminated. Not expanded upon and used for an excuse for every deviance from the liberty position.

If you don't think that things like this ARE due to learning from what they did to marginalize his dad, then you aren't paying attention.

It's sad how those who have a confirmation bias against Rand will just create their own narrative and play gotcha, and flat out ignore what his campaign aid said, that this is to show republicans that if they want increases, they have to pay for them, exposing those who think its okay to just keep borrowing. You have to start somewhere to create a paradigm shift and expose the big government republicans.

He told you this, yet some of you are worse than the media about creating false narratives about this brilliant move to expose their hypocrisy. If you think that makes you a friend of liberty to just knee jerk and make false assumptions about those friendly to us, it doesnt.

 

[sylcfh]

Ron calculated what his district lost in taxes to the federal government and sought to recoup the money.

He already went over this in 2008.

 

[asurfaholic]

If you don't think that things like this ARE due to learning from what they did to marginalize his dad, then you aren't paying attention.

It's sad how those who have a confirmation bias against Rand will just create their own narrative and play gotcha, and flat out ignore what his campaign aid said, that this is to show republicans that if they want increases, they have to pay for them, exposing those who think its okay to just keep borrowing. You have to start somewhere to create a paradigm shift and expose the big government republicans.

He told you this, yet some of you are worse than the media about creating false narratives about this brilliant move to expose their hypocrisy. If you think that makes you a friend of liberty to just knee jerk and make false assumptions about those friendly to us, it doesnt.

This^

RPF lately seems like it has a major problem. There are those who will accept nothing less than pure libertarianism, and those who seek to divide at any possible opportunity.

The last 30% of us who support Rand Paul and see his brilliance and understand the strategy he has adopted to reach the nations highest office, are left spending all our time defending him from the first 2 groups. RPF will never get anything accomplished until this problem is eliminated.

I'm not talking about those who want to have a legitimate debate, but there are people who are not here to debate, they are here to divide. As election season heats up, unless RPF wants to be a laughingstock irrelevant home of trolls and internet puritans, it will be necessary to weed out those who do not support the mission of getting Rand Paul elected.

 

[amartin315]

This^

RPF lately seems like it has a major problem. There are those who will accept nothing less than pure libertarianism, and those who seek to divide at any possible opportunity.

The last 30% of us who support Rand Paul and see his brilliance and understand the strategy he has adopted to reach the nations highest office, are left spending all our time defending him from the first 2 groups. RPF will never get anything accomplished until this problem is eliminated.

I'm not talking about those who want to have a legitimate debate, but there are people who are not here to debate, they are here to divide. As election season heats up, unless RPF wants to be a laughingstock irrelevant home of trolls and internet puritans, it will be necessary to weed out those who do not support the mission of getting Rand Paul elected.

If you and other defenders are left using up all your energy defending against the first two groups, then maybe the strategy pursued by Rand Paul isn't as brilliant as you say it is?

 

[asurfaholic]

If you and other defenders are left using up all your energy defending against the first two groups, then maybe the strategy pursued by Rand Paul isn't as brilliant as you say it is?

 

[acptulsa]

If you and other defenders are left using up all your energy defending against the first two groups, then maybe the strategy pursued by Rand Paul isn't as brilliant as you say it is?

Name me the strategy ever employed against an entrenched evil anywhere in the world in any century since recorded history began that was easy and went as smoothly as silk.

Seems to me entrenched evils use any evil, dishonest method they can dream up at every opportunity. Maybe I missed one...

 

[amartin315]

Name me the strategy ever employed against an entrenched evil anywhere in the world in any century since recorded history began that was easy and went as smoothly as silk.

Seems to me entrenched evils use any evil, dishonest method they can dream up at every opportunity. Maybe I missed one...

I just think if Ron were still young and he was going about this term for his 3rd run at the nomination in a row, he'd be doing quite well with the old strategy of mass quantities of truth and honesty. That's the strategy Rand could have adopted. I think it would have worked this time.