Rand Paul Confronted on Mitt Romney Endorsement by wearechange

[EBounding]

Was Schindler not principled because he was part of the Nazi party and didn't publicly denounce Hitler?

 

[PatriotOne]

Oh, there's no doubt that the current campaign for liberty received important early support - one might even say "vital" - from truthers, Alex Jones-types etc. But, even though that sort helped to bring us to where we are to day, if we want to continue to move the ball down the field, we've reached the point where such people - especially if they insist on tying their issues, be it 9/11 trutherism, Bilderberg conspiracism, or any other ill-founded fringe idea, to the liberty brand generally, and the Paul brand in particular - do far more harm than good.

Basically, we've reach the point where supporters of that type need to decide what's more important: talking about their pet issues and antagonizing our opponents, or building coalitions and creating a strong liberty-minded coalition in our nation's capital, and indeed in all 50 states. I think most people here will rally around the latter goal. Some people who are only in it for the attention, or who honestly think they're right but completely fail to understand how people work and how to build alliances, will of course yell 'betrayal!' and storm out. But, harsh though it may sound, at this point it's good to lose such people, whatever their past contributions.

I basically agree with much of this post but I don't want anyone to think I have changed my mind on 9/11. I am firmly in the camp of it being a false flag. A person doesn't have to find that out from AJ at all. His job was to make it look fringe and crazy. Same way the "hippy movement" was inserted into (and made the face of it using the MSM) the Vietnam anti-war movement. Millions of kids of course followed because it was so fresh and cool. But all those free drugs, free sex, flower wearing, peace symbolhippy power polarized the people. Those "damn hippies" became the bane of the older people's existance and kept the people infighting instead of joining forces to stop the war. I probably heard the phrase "those damn hippies!" from adults 5 times day, every day, during that period of time. I was too young to be a card carrying hippy, but I wasn't too young to notice how much the older people hated them.

That said, I have faith most truthers will see this also as Alex has to be more and more overt about it since we are now over the target going into the 2016 Presidential run. His attack on Rand will become more apparent the farther we get and most of the truthers I know are pretty freaking smart. Maybe lose some of the younger truthers who aren't capable of seeing through AJ, but those we can afford to lose. After all, in spite of all the polarization of the truthers and non-truthers, we have come together when it has been important that we do. We have transcended the polarization for the most part. But yeah...time to vote Alex Jones, Adam Kokesh, We Are Change, etc., off the island. Truthers I'm happy to keep.

 

[PatriotOne]

proof ? btw , never said truthers . guilty conscience ?

then why are you replying to me ? can you not read or do you just see what you want ? (truther pun not intended)

and there supporters have all but ruined this forum

 

[LibertyEagle]

1.Rand voted yes to sanction Iran
2.Rand has vocally taken the "middleground" on Iran sanctions
3.Rand lied about Romney's platform
4.Rand's Anti-Drone bill sets up the legality for using drones rather than just banning them.

Its okay if you wan't to keep pretending Rand didn't do any kind of compromising

Ron Paul voted to give Red China Most Favored Nation status.

Ron Paul voted to get rid of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

I didn't agree with him on those votes, and others, but I never once thought he had betrayed us.

 

[ninepointfive]

so much hostility around here lately.

=(

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Ron Paul voted to give Red China Most Favored Nation status.

Ron Paul voted to get rid of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

I didn't agree with him on those votes, and others, but I never once thought he had betrayed us.

Tangent topic is tangent.


Rand Paul voted YES to sanction Iran. Sanctions =pre-emptive act of war which can be enforced in many ways including :bombing;military blockade of trade routes;financial asset freezing;embargo on resouces

 

[LibertyEagle]

It was a compromise from the very beginning, he explained it in this video at 0:35

Ron might have supported newt for SOTH, but he never supported mccain in 07 on the presidential level and stood his grounds of principle.

What don't you get? He HAD TO endorse the nominee. HAD TO. Just like Ron Paul could not endorse against a Republican incumbent and he didn't. Even if the person running against the incumbent was a proven liberty candidate. If he had, he was told he would be kicked out of the GOP.

If you understand Ron's actions, so should you understand Rand's. It is more than hypocritical, otherwise.

 

[wongster41]

So... what? An endorsement for SOTH is just fine, but endorsing for POTUS is a bridge too far?

Newt was SOTH from 1995-1999, maybe Ron didn't see newt as a bad person to endorse back then. It wasn't like it was Ron's first time that he endorsed someone and later had to pull back on the support, Ronald Reagan is a perfect example. Ron supported Reagan in the beginning but wrote a letter retracting the support because reagan made government bigger.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Tangent topic is tangent.


Rand Paul voted YES to sanction Iran. Sanctions =pre-emptive act of war which can be enforced in many ways including :bombing;military blockade of trade routes;financial asset freezing;embargo on resouces

No, it's not tangent at all. Rand actually is the one who stopped the forthcoming sanction from, in any way, being seen as authorizing war with Iran. If you want to disagree with him on that, fine. Just like I disagreed with Ron on some of his votes. But, I never ever went around calling him a traitor.

 

[TheGrinch]

We have transcended the polarization for the most part.

Very excellent post, and I agree that particularly when we were all in campaign mode, we did an amazing job of putting our pet issues to the side, and sticking to the points that we all should be able to agree on. Though I will say it was a bit of concern at one of the Atlanta rallies that the pro-pot activists felt the need to put their pet issue on display, and draw away potential supporters. Not that I don't agree with them 100%, but it's just getting off of the messages we can agree about without having to be contreversial and offputting to reduce this movement to "pro-drugs". Time and place....

It's a bit scary to me that we're far too much like the Democratic party of being an "umbrella party" for a number of smaller agendas, and that is where we need to have discipline to stand together for liberty, and put our differences aside until we're in a real position to take them on. Infighting and polarizing is exactly what the establishment wants, but our collective desire for liberty should be much stronger than are our smaller differences.

Each of us has our own path for how we choose to help make gains, so we should not fight with our brothers who are frankly human, and just trying to do the best they can for this important cause. We can't let our differences tear that apart.

 

[Aratus]

did rand give the nod to mitt now so that if mitt backslides by 2015
then rand can point out he gave the future potus the benefit of the
doubt but that things are way worse than he thought back in 2012?

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Rand Paul and the Walk of Shame

I originally believed Rand was playing politics, but this recent video really didn't sit well in my stomach. It's almost like the man I campaigned for and supported when we were trying to get a liberty lover into office has completely changed.

Everything about his demeanor, attitude, walk, and blatant disregard for the truth really left a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach. See for yourself here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtO5INu-VY4&feature=player_embedded

 

[Aratus]

i take it you don't often create threads when there are at least two active ones on the same topic and that you are really PO'ed?

 

[Adrock]

Edit: nm

 

[TruthisTreason]

Once you come in, you never come out the same at Build-a-Burgers!

 

[rockandrollsouls]

Didn't see it this morning. I have a job Nice of you to make assumptions, though....Feel free to point me in the direction of the previous thread.

All I said was this is very unsettling and concerning.

 

[Smitty]

Rand Paul represents the division of the liberty movement and he always will. There's no denying it and there's no turning back from it.

You can continue with the liberty movement or you can support Rand Paul.

 

[Aratus]

personally i feel the muckraker journalist found an opening and slammed rand with a question
that mitt has handed a "no" answer to concerning a certain conference and the question of
him being spotted sneaking into the same. the dude expected rand to give him a nugget on
a fringe issue the romney campaign folk would send their mitt~surrogate to the doghouse on.
we know rand has backed mitt, but mitt may not have entered that building that day at all!!!

 

[TheGrinch]

Rand Paul represents the division of the liberty movement and he always will. There's no denying it and there's no turning back from it.

You can continue with the liberty movement or you can support Rand Paul.

GTFO... You don't speak for me or us. Kind of the beautiful thing about liberty is that we can disagree, but yet still fight for it together.

It only splinters the mvoement if you let it. I'm with all of you and I'm with Rand until his voting record suggests otherwise... See how easy that is?

 

[Smitty]

GTFO... You don't speak for me or us. Kind of the beautiful thing about liberty is that we can disagree, but yet still fight for it together.

It only splinters the mvoement if you let it. I'm with all of you and I'm with Rand until his voting record suggests otherwise... See how easy that is?

You're dreaming.

A huge percentage of the liberty movement will never accept Rand Paul. That's just the way it is regardless of what anybody thinks about it.

Rand can do whatever he wants in Congress,...but the liberty movement needs to get over him if it is to survive.