Rand Paul Confronted on Mitt Romney Endorsement by wearechange

[JK/SEA]

Guys, guys, maybe Rand isn't what we think he is. But, don't you think that is better determined from his votes? Why can't we just watch his votes? Why do some want to hang him out to dry, already?

The problem LE, and i respect your attempts at cooling things down, BUT, damn,,,you've heard that statement..honey, honey, poison, i'm sure many times, and for me Rand has tainted himself whether he knows it or not, and the bottom line is if he wants to get re-elected, or further the cause of Liberty, he really needs to show more principle than he's exhibiting. Mitts endorsement has driven lots of us to question Rands motives. Thats not my fault, or anyone elses..its Rands cross to bear. Believe me...i REALLY want to believe the Liberty movement has a chance. We can ill afford guys like Rand to play fast and loose with his bully pulpit. We need him. But not like this.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

There will be no "infiltrating". That would assume that the PTB or "establishement" or whatever is stupid, and that is not so.

 

[wongster41]

we are change , adam kokesh , alex jones are not going to stop until they tear this movement apart . i dont know if they will be successful but in the least they and there supporters have all but ruined this forum .

If anything they're trying to keep the movement on course, but apparently to you Rand endorsing romney is the right course for this movement.

 

[PatriotOne]

we are change , adam kokesh , alex jones are not going to stop until they tear this movement apart . i dont know if they will be successful but in the least they and there supporters have all but ruined this forum .

STFU moron. Truthers have friggin rocked as movers and shakers of this movement and been the leaders of many successful activites and fundraisers over the past 5 years. No doubt there is a bunch of them representing RP as delegates in Tampa. I have no desire to lose them. And I am not talking about Alex Jones, Adam Kokesh and We Are Change.

 

[TruthisTreason]

If anything they're trying to keep the movement on course, but apparently to you Rand endorsing romney is the right course for this movement.

There are those that heard Ron's call and are working inside the GOP party to implement change on a bottom up level. Then there is everyone else. That is the movement. Those in the movement who want to bitch and groan about nothing ever changing can stay on the internet and do that. Some of us are becoming the change, or attempting to. Romney is but a few month fad who will be old news in a few months. The anti-Obama supporters can remember Ron Paul people as the assholes or the guys that were against Obama. There are things we agree with Romney on, at least those of us who are fiscal conservatives.

 

[JohnGalt23g]

If anything they're trying to keep the movement on course, but apparently to you Rand endorsing romney is the right course for this movement.

On course? For what?

 

[TheGrinch]

The problem LE, and i respect your attempts at cooling things down, BUT, damn,,,you've heard that statement..honey, honey, poison, i'm sure many times, and for me Rand has tainted himself whether he knows it or not, and the bottom line is if he wants to get re-elected, or further the cause of Liberty, he really needs to show more principle than he's exhibiting. Mitts endorsement has driven lots of us to question Rands motives. Thats not my fault, or anyone elses..its Rands cross to bear. Believe me...i REALLY want to believe the Liberty movement has a chance. We can ill afford guys like Rand to play fast and loose with his bully pulpit. We need him. But not like this.

Look, when we have a majority or he gets into whitehouse, then we won't have to comprimise.

But when you are trying to make change with a minority, you simply cannot go in and say "my way or the highway". Particularly with something as trivial as this... All it really is is a gesture like a friend would make, to say "Okay, if this is what you guys choose, I will back you on it". He's said all along he would endorse the nominee, whoever it was, because that's who the party chose. Our chairmen have to the same thing unfortunately to keep their positions.

The goal is to reform the republican party, and you're not going to do that by undermining and painting yourself as "hijacking" it.

So if you don't want comprimise, then get behind a local candidate, get them into office, and lets start getting a majority, so we don't have to play their game anymore... Until then, the stakes are too high to just take our ball and go home and not even try to play.

 

[Sola_Fide]

On course? For what?

Perpetual failure.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The problem LE, and i respect your attempts at cooling things down, BUT, damn,,,you've heard that statement..honey, honey, poison, i'm sure many times, and for me Rand has tainted himself whether he knows it or not, and the bottom line is if he wants to get re-elected, or further the cause of Liberty, he really needs to show more principle than he's exhibiting. Mitts endorsement has driven lots of us to question Rands motives. Thats not my fault, or anyone elses..its Rands cross to bear. Believe me...i REALLY want to believe the Liberty movement has a chance. We can ill afford guys like Rand to play fast and loose with his bully pulpit. We need him. But not like this.

We will just have to agree to disagree, then. I will keep my eye on Rand. But, I think he is exactly what we DO need. We need someone who can get through to the traditional conservatives who didn't understand the message from Ron. This has to happen, or we will never make much progress. And I think Rand can do it. I know he can do it, because I have seen him do it. His role is also to make us less downright scary to mainstream America. And Luke isn't helping that much... Please note that I did not say that he should sacrifice principle, because that should not happen.

If he ends up selling out, I will be at the forefront hanging him out to dry.

 

[JK/SEA]

One guy and gal get close to Rand..WALKING DOWN THE PUBLIC STREET, and start asking questions.

And he tells them to fuck off, as is his right both as a citizen and a Senator to do. And they do not, but rather continue interrupting his private conversation. If someone interrupts my private conversation as I walk down the street, I too will tell them to fuck off. And if they continue being rude, juvenile and obnoxious, I will threaten them, and if necessary get physical with them. Perhaps an ass-kicking would instill some manners, not to mention a respect for laws against harassment, in them, something their parents failed rather badly to do.

Evidently, according to you, the ambush journalism technique needs to be made illegal, correct?

I think manners should be encouraged. And if that means some "journalist" (sorry, I can't help but snicker at the use of that word in this case) gets his ass kicked while engaging in harassing behavior, I certainly wouldn't cry any tears.

ok, now your in fantasy land, and wishin' and hopin' Rand takes a page out of the 'marginalize' the bastards playbook. Sound familiar?

They marginalized themselves. Rand has granted an interview to DP radio on this subject, and it was great, respectful, informative, and handled by adults from every perspective. A lesson that the children in this movement would do well to learn.

You want to know why Ron Paul was marginalized? Start by finding yourself a mirror.

hah....not even worth commenting on. Aren't you late for your next boot licking lesson?

I look forward to working on policy and politics with people who are willing to work with me. That there are more Romney and less Paul people than there would otherwise be save for the tantrum the Liberty brats are throwing will be my only regret.

And yeah... when you grow up, maybe you'll learn you sometimes have to do things you don't like doing, but you do anyways to make progress. Until you grow up, however, you can find me at the local GOP, working with the adults.

Yeah, as a PCO in my 3rd term, i've been around the GOP faithful. They turn my stomach, and you sound just like them.

 

[Inkblots]

STFU moron. Truthers have friggin rocked as movers and shakers of this movement and been the leaders of many successful activites and fundraisers over the past 5 years. No doubt there is a bunch of them representing RP as delegates in Tampa. I have no desire to lose them.

Oh, there's no doubt that the current campaign for liberty received important early support - one might even say "vital" - from truthers, Alex Jones-types etc. But, even though that sort helped to bring us to where we are to day, if we want to continue to move the ball down the field, we've reached the point where such people - especially if they insist on tying their issues, be it 9/11 trutherism, Bilderberg conspiracism, or any other ill-founded fringe idea, to the liberty brand generally, and the Paul brand in particular - do far more harm than good.

Basically, we've reach the point where supporters of that type need to decide what's more important: talking about their pet issues and antagonizing our opponents, or building coalitions and creating a strong liberty-minded coalition in our nation's capital, and indeed in all 50 states. I think most people here will rally around the latter goal. Some people who are only in it for the attention, or who honestly think they're right but completely fail to understand how people work and how to build alliances, will of course yell 'betrayal!' and storm out. But, harsh though it may sound, at this point it's good to lose such people, whatever their past contributions.

 

[wongster41]

Perpetual failure.

On the course of freedom and prosperity. I guess what you're saying is Ron's 30 years of no compromising was a perpetual failure?

 

[JK/SEA]

If he ends up selling out, I will be at the forefront hanging him out to dry.

fair enough. I'm leaning your way, but my feet to the fire burning barrel is now red hot.

 

[Aratus]

if senator rand just gave mister mitt the benefit of the doubt so that he can tear
into him totally legitimately when potus mitt backslides before 2015 then
lets do say that rand thinks ahead and has BR@$$BALLZ when he then takes on
an incumbant potus for being president barack obama's third term tacitly.
this could be like a chess game at midpoint rather than into its actual endgame.

 

[r3volution]

STFU moron. Truthers have friggin rocked as movers and shakers of this movement and been the leaders of many successful activites and fundraisers over the past 5 years. No doubt there is a bunch of them representing RP as delegates in Tampa.

proof ? btw , never said truthers . guilty conscience ?

And I am not talking about Alex Jones, Adam Kokesh and We Are Change.

then why are you replying to me ? can you not read or do you just see what you want ? (truther pun not intended)

 

[Sola_Fide]

On the course of freedom and prosperity. I guess what you're saying is Ron's 30 years of no compromising was a perpetual failure?

IF YOUR DEFINITION OF "NO COMPROMISE" MEANS NEVER ENDORSING AN ESTABLISHMENT PARTY GUY THEN RON PAUL IS A FAILURE TOO.

Come on guys....at least try to make your arguments consistent here. Rand didn't compromise anything. His endorsement of Romney was not a compromise, just like Ron's endorsement of Gingrich wasn't a compromise. Stop using emotional, illogical arguments.

 

[wongster41]

IF YOUR DEFINITION OF "NO COMPROMISE" MEANS NEVER ENDORSING AN ESTABLISHMENT PARTY GUY THEN RON PAUL IS A FAILURE TOO.

Cone on guys....at least try to make your arguments consistent here. Rand didn't compromise anything. His endorsement of Romney was not a compromise, just like Ron's endorsement of Gingrich wasn't a compromise. Stop using emotional, illogical arguments.

It was a compromise from the very beginning, he explained it in this video at 0:35




Ron might have supported newt for SOTH, but he never supported mccain in 07 on the presidential level and stood his grounds of principle.

 

[Aratus]

half this site had been truther before i arrived after supertuesday in 2008!!!
doctor ron paul was backed by very many of the more perceptive truthers.
even the truthers have their fringe people so i don't blanket brush paint all
into the same monotonous conformity. i've heard several intelligent arguments.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

IF YOUR DEFINITION OF "NO COMPROMISE" MEANS NEVER ENDORSING AN ESTABLISHMENT PARTY GUY THEN RON PAUL IS A FAILURE TOO.

Come on guys....at least try to make your arguments consistent here. Rand didn't compromise anything. His endorsement of Romney was not a compromise, just like Ron's endorsement of Gingrich wasn't a compromise. Stop using emotional, illogical arguments.

1.Rand voted yes to sanction Iran
2.Rand has vocally taken the "middleground" on Iran sanctions
3.Rand lied about Romney's platform
4.Rand's Anti-Drone bill sets up the legality for using drones rather than just banning them.

Its okay if you wan't to keep pretending Rand didn't do any kind of compromising

 

[JohnGalt23g]

Ron might have supported newt for SOTH, but he never supported mccain in 07 on the presidential level and stood his grounds of principle.

So... what? An endorsement for SOTH is just fine, but endorsing for POTUS is a bridge too far?