Rand Paul: Confederate flag is “inescapably a symbol of human bondage and slavery”

[Smitty]

Rand definitely isn't curing anyone's apathy.

 

[Wilf]

Rand definitely isn't curing anyone's apathy right now.

Fixed

 

[hells_unicorn]

I don't know what his plan is, but my excitement level for his campaign is nil. Our country is being ravaged by globalists on all fronts and Rand is playing footsies. Completely unacceptable. When your house is on fire, you don't dance around with a fire extinguisher and delicately disperse a sparse amount like a perfume bottle.

Rand is still getting my vote, and I know precisely why he did this, and the answer is the same one he gave to Rush Limbaugh, he doesn't believe the GOP can win an election without making inroads among minority voters. Demographically speaking, a Republican could still win an election if they took a huge majority of the white vote, but in a decade or so, that won't be the case.

I don't see a single Republican or Democrat running for office that is openly sticking up for the Battle Flag, save maybe Jim Webb who is not getting my vote and Donald Trump who is a complete joke. Rand is still getting my vote, though I definitely don't like that he has to do stuff like this.

 

[Crashland]

I don't know what his plan is, but my excitement level for his campaign is nil. Our country is being ravaged by globalists on all fronts and Rand is playing footsies. Completely unacceptable. When your house is on fire, you don't dance around with a fire extinguisher and delicately disperse a sparse amount like a perfume bottle.

I agree that there is an excitement problem, but if there was anyone who did what you are proposing, it was Ron Paul, and we all know how far that got him. Rand will never win if he runs like Ron did.

 

[Smitty]

Rand is still getting my vote, and I know precisely why he did this, and the answer is the same one he gave to Rush Limbaugh, he doesn't believe the GOP can win an election without making inroads among minority voters.

I guess he needs to speak up and endorse this too. It might get him another 2 dozen votes.

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[givemeliberty2010]

I do not see why the states would care what goes on in the territories. This was a major concession from Buchanan and Lincoln to go as far to make slavery impervious to abolition. The states just wanted to secede despite whatever efforts Buchanan and Lincoln were making to stop them.

As I mentioned before, the South cared about gaining more territory. Look at the history of John Tyler and Texas and James K. Polk and the Mexican-American War as well as Franklin Pierce, Jefferson Davis and Cuba. They did not want the Northern states telling them what territory they could go after and what they could do with it. Hence the drive to keep the number of states 50/50. A majority is not enough for a Constitutional amendment to abolish slavery, but a majority can influence the territories (which can in turn become states).

 

[hells_unicorn]

I guess he needs to speak up and endorse this too. It might get him another 2 dozen votes.

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The quickest way to doom your own cause is to begin a circular firing squad. If you think that Rand can fully tout the old confederate cause, right or wrong, and prevail, you don't understand the problem this country has. When you come to realize that nearly half of the white youth vote has been conditioned to be ethnically masochistic to the point of psychopathology, then you'll begin to see the problem.

We're on the same page here in principle, but there is a very real danger in setting our zeal against our reason. Just think about it.

 

[Okie RP fan]

I've been really disappointed with many Libertarians and Conservatives take on the rebel flag.
Many have bought into the mantra that the flag caused the crime, literally as if the flag pulled the trigger and taking it down will bring back the lives of those lost.

Secondly, the "Svastika" as it's known in Hindi had been around for thousands of years, even Native American cultures utilized the symbol.
It took just one government in the early 20th century to take it and make it their own, now it's a symbol of hatred no matter where you go or how you use it. It's basically banned, for all intents and purposes.
My point is, we're going to ignore the thousands of years of history and use by other cultures of a SYMBOL just because a few lunatics used it for their own causes? That's it, just like that? In the same respect, the rebel flag has become a symbol of rebellious nature, or even just "Southern pride" to many. What I'm saying is, IT'S A SYMBOL, and symbols have different meanings to different people.

The U.S.A flag is a symbol of oppression and drone striking women and children to many in the Middle East. I want it taken down because of that. Now, what's the next step?
All the meanwhile we were having a national debate over an old flag, so much else was going on, particularly with TPP. Don't look at the man behind the curtain folks. This is not like Libertarians to be hoodwinked, and so many of us were with this flag nonsense.

 

[Carlybee]

I've been really disappointed with many Libertarians and Conservatives take on the rebel flag.
Many have bought into the mantra that the flag caused the crime, literally as if the flag pulled the trigger and taking it down will bring back the lives of those lost.

Secondly, the "Svastika" as it's known in Hindi had been around for thousands of years, even Native American cultures utilized the symbol.
It took just one government in the early 20th century to take it and make it their own, now it's a symbol of hatred no matter where you go or how you use it. It's basically banned, for all intents and purposes.
My point is, we're going to ignore the thousands of years of history and use by other cultures of a SYMBOL just because a few lunatics used it for their own causes? That's it, just like that? In the same respect, the rebel flag has become a symbol of rebellious nature, or even just "Southern pride" to many. What I'm saying is, IT'S A SYMBOL, and symbols have different meanings to different people.

The U.S.A flag is a symbol of oppression and drone striking women and children to many in the Middle East. I want it taken down because of that. Now, what's the next step?
All the meanwhile we were having a national debate over an old flag, so much else was going on, particularly with TPP. Don't look at the man behind the curtain folks. This is not like Libertarians to be hoodwinked, and so many of us were with this flag nonsense.

Not me. I was practically called a racist for protesting against this flag BS. I'm still against the removal. I don't agree with Rand. I don't believe the flag itself is a symbol of slavery. Slavery was slavery, regardless of what flags were flown. Slavery no longer exists. Modern day blacks are not slaves...other than to the system as we all are. We already see the snowball effect to the point of just getting stupid.
My tax dollars will get to go toward renaming schools and tearing down statues and rewriting history and God only knows whatever else Orwellian crap will come down the pike, and there will still be those who say it was the right thing to do. I sometimes can't believe I live in such an age of non reason.

 

[twomp]

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[Jamesiv1]

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[kahless]

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Normally I would agree but this weeks events were not distractions and rather actual legislative actions.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Normally I would agree but this weeks events were not distractions and rather actual legislative actions.

In the Grand Scheme of issues today, this week's "big news" was trivial at best. Let's not look at the horrors of US foreign policy, grand scale theft of domestic policy, escalating police abuse! There's a flag over thar!

 

[Danke]

A symbol doesn't mean only what YOU say it means. Anyone with a sense of decency will choose not to display something that is commonly taken to be a symbol of slavery, even if they don't mean it that way. What matters when you communicate aren't the words you say, but how they are understood. So if you are trying to make a statement by displaying the confederate flag, please use your brain first for two seconds.

A lot of people take offense at the Isreali flag and the U.S. Flag...what should be done about that?

 

[William Tell]

 

[Theocrat]

Take It Down Now!

I knew it! The American Flag represents racism!

 

[FloralScent]

They have effectively done just that and they are scrubbing history so they can rewrite a more politically correct version where there is only one side's account of events.

Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late... It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision... It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.

--- Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864, writing on what would happen if the Confederacy were to be defeated.

He must've had a crystal ball.

 

[hells_unicorn]

--- Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864, writing on what would happen if the Confederacy were to be defeated.

He must've had a crystal ball.

Robert Louis Dabney's "In Defense of Virginia and The South" made a very similar point, and also detailed the history of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, and particularly noted how the New England colonies were the primary beneficiaries of the slave trade monetarily. It's a very good read and anyone with interest in the history of the Civil War should read it.

 

[Carlybee]

We'll nothing can ever justify the slave trade, but Mark Twain told of how as children they didn't even know it was wrong..that's how ingrained it was in the culture.

 

[RandallFan]

It is seen as Rand piling on with Mitch.

Mitch McConnell wouldn't even be in the senate if he was promoting this in 2008.

What does Matt Bevin's black running mate say?

I imagine this could be a big divisive issue.