Rand Paul: Confederate flag is “inescapably a symbol of human bondage and slavery”

[wizardwatson]

I just wanna know why so many people, including some people here, are so obsessed over some stupid piece of cloth. Flags are stupid and mean nothing. Burn them all.

Yes, and the Nazi's were just burning paper. I mean who cares?

It's the psychological implications of erasing truth and replacing it with something else.

I'm sure there were similar discussions about book burning. Who cares?

Racist Whites, are the new Evil Jews.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

When defending a symbol, there is a law of diminishing returns in effect as to success of showing people the 'true' meaning behind the symbol. At some point, when symbols are lost, it becomes a better proposition to move on.

If we invented a new symbol for states rights, that too would soon fall under the PC-axe.

It's not the symbol as such to which they object, it's the idea which it represents.

Put up the Gadsen flag as a replacement and watch, that too will soon be called racist, or sexist, or whatever they need to call it to discredit the idea which it really represents.

To retreat before each of these attacks is finally to have no way to express our ideas at all, which is - of course - their goal.

And note that what applies to visual symbols like the flag applies equally well to words.

This is newspeak in action.

 

[wizardwatson]

Let the purging of Jews-I mean racists-from our beautiful country commence.

 

[wizardwatson]

I got an idea. Everyone who isn't racist can wear a patch. To show their solidarity against racism in our homeland.

This will create a sense of brotherhood and togetherness.

 

[phill4paul]

There's nothing stopping them from doing that. But you don't honor your forebears with an outward expression, outward expressions are for advertising/attention. And you don't use taxpayer money to use offensive symbols.

It's been better said by others in this thread. It's dumb and there's no good solution. Slavery is dumb, people back then were dumb, the north was dumb, lincoln was dumb, political correctness is dumb, racism is dumb, and using government to enforce opinions is dumb.

There was a solution. There was a compromise. It's never going to be enough. And you, and Paul, are fine with it. Let's all move forward into this beautiful world of PC acceptance.

 

[Carlybee]

I got an idea. Everyone who isn't racist can wear a patch. To show their solidarity against racism in our homeland.

This will create a sense of brotherhood and togetherness.

Let's just all have our own individual flags.

 

[nayjevin]

If we invented a new symbol for states rights, that too would soon fall under the PC-axe.

To the extent that people who use that symbol simultaneously express views of racism. And to the extent proponents of states rights continue to fail to recognize the obligation to address racial issues and the failures of the south in treatment of blacks, and continue to view that as an annoyance.

The annoyance of political correctness does not hold a candle to the horrors of slavery.

 

[wizardwatson]

Let's just all have our own individual flags.

Certainly, we want to respect the diversity you as an individual bring to the collective. But the patch shows a committment to non-hatred. By wearing the patch of solidarity we can know that you respect the individuality of others.

You are certainly encouraged to wear your own patch alongside the patch of solidarity and tolerance.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Let's just all have our own individual flags.

BINGO!! My position for years is the entire "flag protocol" is WRONG. They tell us that the flag of the USA must be higher than all other flags displayed. I say that's backward. If I were to fly flags showing my "allegiance" they would be displayed with the Christian flag at the top, the family crest next followed by the state flag and federal flag. Your highest allegiance should be to your creator followed by your allegiance to your family. Any allegiance to fictions should be at the bottom of that pole...

If you follow the flag order you see creation as a basis for flag order. Each entity is "created" by the one above it...

 

[Ronin Truth]

Let's just all have our own individual flags.

 

[nayjevin]

There was a solution. There was a compromise. It's never going to be enough.

Are you aware of the recent murders? This does change things.

And you, and Paul, are fine with it.

I think it's sad, and Paul thinks what he said, not what you write about what he thinks.

Let's all move forward into this beautiful world of PC acceptance.

You are projecting your views of political correctness apologists on those who disagree with you on this issue.

 

[Carlybee]

 

[wizardwatson]

BINGO!! My position for years is the entire "flag protocol" is WRONG. They tell us that the flag of the USA must be higher than all other flags displayed. I say that's backward. If I were to fly flags showing my "allegiance" they would be displayed with the Christian flag at the top, the family crest next followed by the state flag and federal flag. You highest allegiance should be to your creator followed by your allegiance to your family. Any allegiance to fictions should be at the bottom of that pole...

I'm sorry to inform you but due to the hateful message contained therein, Abrahamism has been outlawed.

Can I interest you in some Hindu, Buddhist or Taoist texts?

We await our true Messiah who will show that the origins of Abrahamism is indeed Satanic. Until then we must judge the texts of Abrahamism from the standpoint of reason and truth. And the ministers appointed to handle such things have declared Abrahamic religions to be hotbeds of hatred and intolerance.

Any attempts to further the Abrahamic religions will be reported.

 

[phill4paul]

To the extent that people who use that symbol simultaneously express views of racism. And to the extent proponents of states rights continue to fail to recognize the obligation to address racial issues and the failures of the south in treatment of blacks, and continue to view that as an annoyance.

The annoyance of political correctness does not hold a candle to the horrors of slavery.

I have used that symbol. I do not "express views of racism." I as an proponent of states rights address racial issues and the failures of the Federal and state government in the treatment of blacks. So just fuck off already nayjevin. Political correctness, as it stands, does not hold a candle to the horrors of slavery but, if left unchecked, you will see that it will become far, far, worse.

 

[Chieppa1]

Correct move for Rand.

 

[juleswin]

I will say it again. If you really care about this flag, fly it your house, place of business, teach your children and extended family about its history, start a scholarship fund, join a confederate heritage society or start one if none exists in your area etc etc. Do something other than whine when the state doesn't do it for you.

 

[wizardwatson]

I will say it again. If you really care about this flag, fly it your house, place of business, teach your children and extended family about its history, start a scholarship fund, join a confederate heritage society or start one if none exists in your area etc etc. Do something other than whine when the state doesn't do it for you.

Fixed it for you:

I will say it again. If you really care about this book burning, keep some of them in your house, place of business, teach your children and extended family about those ideas, start a scholarship fund, join a intellectual heritage society or start one if none exists in your area etc etc. Do something other than whine when the state decides to burn books it is the rightful owner of.

 

[phill4paul]

Are you aware of the recent murders? This does change things.

No what murders are you talking about? Changes things how? One wacked out weirdo pill popper kills some people and writes a wacked out weirdo pill popping manifesto and this changes everything. Really? This is where we are at?

I think it's sad, and Paul thinks what he said, not what you write about what he thinks.

I think it's sad too. And you know for a fact that what Paul said is what he actually believes and not political jockeying? You have some amazing powers you aren't utilizing to there full potential. I think that what he believes is that it is a State issue and beyond that he doesn't much care.

You are projecting your views of political correctness apologists on those who disagree with you on this issue.

Because that is what it is. Unless, you truly believe that remembrance of one's history is racist.

 

[juleswin]

Fixed it for you:

I don't get it. Are you saying that the state shouldn't burn books that they own? If you didn't know it, they already ban some books in public schools which is the somewhat equivalence of book burning and yet the world hasn't ended.

If you like a book, buy it, share it with your friends or spread the joy of it anyway you can without the use of the state. Don't expect the state to share your obsession or help you in anyway to spread it. Again, stop whining and get to work.

 

[Krugminator2]

I don't think most people in the South who want the Confederate to stay up are racist in the least.

But what if you are black and live in the South Carolina? When you see the Confederate Flag, is your first thought about the virtues of decentralized government? Slavery is the most evil institution in US and world history. A defining characteristic of the Confederacy was the ability to own another person. Keeping the flag over a government building is just very bad judgment. It is inconsiderate and does not represent the country's highest ideals.