Rand Paul: Confederate flag is “inescapably a symbol of human bondage and slavery”

[jj-]

Next: Thomas Jefferson memorial

 

[juleswin]

Wise men choose their battles. Together with his past comments about the Civil Rights Act, if he would have taken the opposite stance on this flag, just imagine the soundbytes that would be spouted all over the airways.

He did the wise thing.

Exactly, this is not the issue to take a principled stance with. Supporters of the confederacy can still fly it in their house. As evident by the fact that the killer had the old flag of Sout Africa and Rhodesia which doesn't fly anywhere. Taking it down from the state house wouldn't kill from the minds of the public who care about things like this.

+rep when I get to my home computer.

 

[AuH20]

Next: Thomas Jefferson memorial

You really wonder how long this pushing can go? At some point, the rubber band breaks and snaps back violently.

 

[phill4paul]

It won't be long until they call to disinter the graves of the Confederate soldiers. How dare they take up sacred American soil! Why, their very presence is an insult to the Northerners that lay beside them that fought for the express purpose of abolishing slavery! Dig them up!

 

[wizardwatson]

Once again to be on the right side of politics Rand chooses to be on the wrong side of truth. There were other things he could have said or at least qualified that it's a symbol "to some". But no. A little lie here, a little lie there. The Lord doesn't care about your campaign. Whether you win or lose is up to him anyway. Good intentions are not an excuse for lying.

But whatevs, clearly as has been shown on this thread and others in the past I am in the minority on this lying to get ahead strategy.

 

[jj-]

You really wonder how long this pushing can go? At some point, the rubber band breaks and snaps back violently.

To be honest, I think there will be no further resistance, and it will all break down and start over.

 

[nayjevin]

Defending the right to use a symbol that makes most people think you are unintelligent and racist. Why aren't hindu's defending the nazi symbol? Just retire it already.

I guess I see now that there is a strong bond people have with the symbol (and I know for the most part that's not a racist thing) that I can't relate with. More evidence, to me, that one should not allow personal identity to be defined by a symbol, because symbols change. Same philosophy that leads me to not have tattoos I guess.

I see the reasonable arguments on both sides, and I do think it's a pain and a shame that communication among people isn't better, and so symbols have to be retired. Tea Party is a good example. It sucks! But we just have to adapt.

 

[nayjevin]

Once again to be on the right side of politics Rand chooses to be on the wrong side of truth. There were other things he could have said or at least qualified that it's a symbol "to some". But no. A little lie here, a little lie there. The Lord doesn't care about your campaign. Whether you win or lose is up to him anyway. Good intentions are not an excuse for lying.

But whatevs, clearly as has been shown on this thread and others in the past I am in the minority on this lying to get ahead strategy.

You really think Rand lied about this? Where is the lie?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

EBay to ban sale of Confederate flag merchandise
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...0b6dae-19c9-11e5-bed8-1093ee58dad0_story.html


It is getting this ridiculous that clearly they would have destroyed Rand otherwise.

Also banned at Sears, though I have never seen confederate merchandise at Sears.

It wouldn't surprise me if buying this stuff will put you on some kind of government "list". Makes me want to run out and buy a confederate flag.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/confederate-flag-walmart-south-carolina/

TOTAL BLOWBACK!

These guys must be really happy right now...

http://www.rebelstore.com/confederateflags.html

Please allow a few extra days for delivery until we can get caught up - We appreciate your support during this terribly sad time while the intolerant and the mean spirited uneducated attack our proud southern heritage with a vengeance.

They sell a damn nice 3'x5' flag for $9. Sounds very heavy duty and well made.

-t

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

 

[wizardwatson]

Defending the right to use a symbol that makes most people think you are unintelligent and racist. Why aren't hindu's defending the nazi symbol? Just retire it already.

I guess I see now that there is a strong bond people have with the symbol (and I know for the most part that's not a racist thing) that I can't relate with. More evidence, to me, that one should not allow personal identity to be defined by a symbol, because symbols change. Same philosophy that leads me to not have tattoos I guess.

I see the reasonable arguments on both sides, and I do think it's a pain and a shame that communication among people isn't better, and so symbols have to be retired. Tea Party is a good example. It sucks! But we just have to adapt.

I was married to a Hindu, and they do defend it. It's marked my doorway and it's present on their temples. I've had the "Swastika" in my house.

It's meaning predates Hitler's crapping on it. And now the Babylonians have succeeded in crapping on the confederate flag calling it what it is not. Letting this flag fall to this charade isn't bad because this flag is falling but because it raises Stars and Stripes to a height it does not deserve. It bestows honor on a people that do not deserve it.

In short, the truth, already mostly hidden, is being replaced by an even uglier lie. America died, and now they are disposing of the body. Plain and simple.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Had Paul or any of the GOP contenders said nothing, it could easily be interpreted as having no problem with the flag and its associations. But saying something against the flag has those in favor of states rights in such in a hissy fit. A no win scenario.

 

[wizardwatson]

You really think Rand lied about this? Where is the lie?

If it was a symbol of racism then people wouldn't have kept it on the government property. What about Mississippi?

Letting this flag fall because it's "racist" legitimizes this false narrative that white people are racist.


You all have it backwards. Letting the flag fall doesn't mean "See we're not racist." It means, "You're right, we are racist."

Dylann wins.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Lol at me listening to a Confederate state tell me the war was about "states rights" when the South felt it was there right to secede over slavery because it was a states rights issue. Ok Confederate

Wasn't it though?

The SCOTUS ruled in Dred Scott that slaves were property.

The FedGov was moving to "take" property in violation of the Fifth Amendment.

 

[William Tell]

The liberal media controls American politics. They decided to make this an issue, so the Republicans comply like they usually do.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

Wasn't it though?

The SCOTUS ruled in Dred Scott that slaves were property.

The FedGov was moving to "take" property in violation of the Fifth Amendment.

Perhaps because, run with me on this, the idea of people being property didn't sit well with them?

 

[Anti Federalist]

To be honest, I think there will be no further resistance, and it will all break down and start over.

This...Boobus doesn't care about any of this, and will just go along to get along, forever.

 

[William Tell]

You have to be seriously biased to interpret this that way.

Tom Davis and Rand Paul aren't going PC - they are stating the true, correct position on the matter. Don't defend symbols that cause confusion. Seek clarity and unity.

Fine, how about the confusing U.S flag? They won't touch that because they are politicians, you know it and I know it. And that's fine, I don't expect them to. But I'm not going to get out my pom poms and start cheering over some dumb statements they put out.

If their 'excellent' statements actually help them with some people more than it hurts them with others, then I guess its all good. But the PC game doesn't generally work that way.

 

[kahless]

Also banned at Sears, though I have never seen confederate merchandise at Sears.

It wouldn't surprise me if buying this stuff will put you on some kind of government "list". Makes me want to run out and buy a confederate flag.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/confederate-flag-walmart-south-carolina/

TOTAL BLOWBACK!

These guys must be really happy right now...

http://www.rebelstore.com/confederateflags.html

Please allow a few extra days for delivery until we can get caught up - We appreciate your support during this terribly sad time while the intolerant and the mean spirited uneducated attack our proud southern heritage with a vengeance.

They sell a damn nice 3'x5' flag for $9. Sounds very heavy duty and well made.

-t

If not on some list it will be found during any criminal investigation and used as an example of being of racist character. We have probable cause considering his purchase history.

Blowback came to my mind with all the over hyped racial social engineering propaganda going to far. I was thinking in the days prior that some nut would snap because of it and kill minority types or gay-transgender. If I were a conspiracy theorist it almost seems that was the intention since Dylan Roof is the gift that keeps giving for the establishment.

 

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Lol at me listening to a Confederate state tell me the war was about "states rights" when the South felt it was there right to secede over slavery because it was a states rights issue. Ok Confederate

I have family members there and I visit all of the time. I just booked a trip to visit at the end of July. You seriously don't know what the hell you are talking about.