Rand Paul assaulted at Kentucky home (UPDATE: 6 broken ribs)

phill4paul said:
You're not keeping up. This is not a neighborhood tiff. This is a politically motivated attack on a sitting Senate representative.
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Neighbors said they heard the guy screaming that Mexicans are supposed to mow lawns next you are going to make your own tacos before pushing him off.
 
Zippyjuan said:
Neighbors fighting is a "terrorist attack"?
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In this situation, maybe. It might not be. We'll find out soon. Given what Rand has Tweeted and what is known of the attacker, I would handicap this as being a better than 50% chance of being an act of terrorism and not just neighbor dispute that escalated.

The whole dispute about lawns is only coming from the guy's attorney and a few things from this Jim Skaggs, who has modified his views subsequently. The attorney has basically conceded everything that Rand has said and is really only focusing on the political aspect. His job is to get the best deal for his client. No prison time vs a possible 20 years is a big difference.
 
Krugminator2 said:
In this situation, maybe. It might not be. We'll find out soon. Given what Rand has Tweeted and what is known of the attacker, I would handicap this as being a better than 50% chance of being an act of terrorism and not just neighbor dispute that escalated.

The whole dispute about lawns is only coming from the guy's attorney and a few things from this Jim Skaggs, who has modified his views subsequently. The attorney has basically conceded everything that Rand has said and is really only focusing on the political aspect. His job is to get the best deal for his client. No prison time vs a possible 20 years is a big difference.
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If a white man attacking a black man can be construed as a "hate-crime" why can't a liberal attacking a libertarian be construed as a political crime?
 
Bombs on trains or planes- terrorism. Trying to kill as many people as possible- terrorism. Beating up one person- not terrorism.
 
tod evans said:
If a white man attacking a black man can be construed as a "hate-crime" why can't a liberal attacking a libertarian be construed as a political crime?
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Hate crime is also an abused term. Either it is a crime or it isn't.
 
Zippyjuan said:
Bombs on trains or planes- terrorism. Trying to kill as many people as possible- terrorism. Beating up one person- not terrorism.
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If one of your Democrat or neo-cons were assaulted, you would be the first to scream to the rafters about this being terrorism and cite Russian collusion.
 
Zippyjuan said:
Hate crime is also an abused term. Either it is a crime or it isn't.
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There should be no classification of hate crime. All crimes are hate crimes.

Here is what Wikipedia call terrorism
Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

There should absolutely be harsher penalties for crimes against public officials. They are much more exposed to danger so there has to be a strong deterrent for violence. Pablo Escobar killed and threatened numerous politicians. He kept people who would take him on out of office. The penalty for that should be much harsher than a crime against Joe Blow.

You don't want public officials fearing for their life because some nut job is going to assault them because he is voting against universal health care.
 
Krugminator2 said:
There should be no classification of hate crime. All crimes are hate crimes.

Here is what Wikipedia call terrorism
Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror, or fear, to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

There should absolutely be harsher penalties for crimes against public officials. They are much more exposed to danger so there has to be a strong deterrent for violence. Pablo Escobar killed and threatened numerous politicians. He kept people who would take him on out of office. The penalty for that should be much harsher than a crime against Joe Blow.

You don't want public officials fearing for their life because some nut job is going to assault them because he is voting against universal health care.
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Agree.
 
tod evans said:
If a white man attacking a black man can be construed as a "hate-crime" why can't a liberal attacking a libertarian be construed as a political crime?
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Intersectionality says that crimes against libertarians are okay because most of them are cis-white men who are at the top of the oppressive patriarchy.
 
tod evans said:
If a white man attacking a black man can be construed as a "hate-crime" why can't a liberal attacking a libertarian be construed as a political crime?
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I thought this is interesting in that you can see a large amount of people accepting the doublespeak as reality and embracing the ambiguity. Who cares if we don't have proof Rand Paul got attacked by his neighbor because he deserved it.
 
Was this attack politically motivated? Turn it around. Would Boucher, with his known far left political beliefs, physically attack (supposed-slob) Bernie Sanders if he was his neighbor?
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Was this attack politically motivated? Turn it around. Would Boucher, with his known far left political beliefs, physically attack (supposed-slob) Bernie Sanders if he was his neighbor?
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Boucher would have donned a beret and ascot and asked to play chess with him.
 
specsaregood said:
Please cite a reference either legal or common use that supports your position.
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Be patient. Zippy is working on a reply.

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specsaregood said:
Please cite a reference either legal or common use that supports your position.
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Can you provide an example of a case like Rand Paul's which was charged as terrorism?

Gabby Giffords shooting did not result in terrorism charges. http://tucson.com/news/local/crime/article_e38410d2-1c34-11e0-8a5b-001cc4c03286.html


Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect in Saturday's mass shooting at a Tucson Safeway store, is formally facing five federal charges.

According to a complaint filed today by the U.S. District Attorney's Office, Loughner is charged with killing U.S. District Court Chief Judge John Roll and Gabriel Zimmerman, a staff member of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

He's also charged with attempting to murder Giffords and two other members of her staff, Pamela Simon and Ron Barber.
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The shooting at the Congressional baseball game was not charged with terrorism.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f...errorism-attacker-acted-alone/article/2626616

FBI: GOP baseball practice shooting not terrorism
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These were more serious attacks on public figures and were said to be politically motivated.
 
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Krugminator2 said:
You don't want public officials fearing for their life .
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Yes.

Yes I do.

Even the good ones like Ron-n-Rand should fear for their lives as should all the patently evil ones.

Sucking the tax-tit should rightly be a dangerous profession.
 
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