Rand Paul Against Terrorist Trials in Civilian Court?

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Pardon me if I am rehashing something that has already been brought up, but I find it very odd that Rand would do this. All that I have read leads me to believe that Terrorist should be tried in Civilian courts, and I stop short of saying that Rand Paul is ignorant of the law. I don't think he is. But is this position taken simply because he feels he is unelectable otherwise, or is held out of a reasoned thought?

Just curious.



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Reasonable thought where some of us (including me) believe it's within the rights to have military tribunals. It's not within the rights to detain people for the time they've had them.
 
Ok........I understand that.....No offense but I wasn't asking what you thought, I am asking what Rand Paul's reasoning is behind this.

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Because, for instance, it's not practical to read miranda rights with a bull horn from a helicopter on the battlefield, most of the cases would get thrown out of civilian courts. (Rand Paul said something to this effect in the Rand/Ron Louisville interview - the tubes are definitely worth watching if you want to hear his policy contrasted with his father's) Of course, our sticky situation with these "enemy combatants" is in part a product of this fuzzy non-war military action we have going on. Rand would have preferred that the congress voted on a declaration of war.

That leaves in my mind the question of what category these "detainees" would fall under if we were truly at war. Would they be prisoners of war? An in that case, subject to the Geneva convention? Regardless of the hypothetical, I'm really not comfortable with the situation we have. We can't keep them forever! And torture... especially of those who have yet to be proven guilty... this makes me uncomfortable.
 
I have read that already..............What is the justification(s) given for his position on this. Does he believe it's a war? Does he deny that terrorism under U.S. Code is a crime. What? I understand the position in general terms, but there are vagueries I don't, for instance, what has lead him to draw that conclusion?



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Anything I say would be my POV. I would look it up on Youtube. Joe Arnold of WHAS did an interview with he and his father on this issue.
 
I have read that already..............What is the justification(s) given for his position on this. Does he believe it's a war? Does he deny that terrorism under U.S. Code is a crime. What? I understand the position in general terms, but there are vagueries I don't, for instance, what has lead him to draw that conclusion?



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He believes this is, essentially, a war (which should be declared).
 
I watched the dual interviews, Rand and Ron, and I understand his position more. If anything it is the U.S. Governments fault for not declaring war in the first place and avoiding the crap we are in now. I agree with Congressman Paul on his position that Gitmo should be closed, simply because Afghanistan is not a legally declared war.


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I guess Rand does believe that the prisoners at Gitmo should be tried in civilian courts. I actually disagree with him on this issue, but this certainly shows that he's more like Ron on these kind of issues than people realized.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=1&vote=00186

He doesn't necessarily believe they should be tried in civilian courts. The vote was on whether to ban the option of civilian trials to prosecute any suspected al-Qaeda terrorists.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/1011/Senate_votes_down_anticiviliantrials_amendment.html
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/10/senate-republicans-compromise-detention

The Mother Jones article says even former Bush administration officials criticized the amendment for limiting the president's options for dealing with terrorism suspects.
 
It is downright stupid to believe terrorists should be tried in civilian courts.

I agree with Rand, keep Gitmo open. A disagreement with Ron Paul, but marginal at best.
 
Pardon me if I am rehashing something that has already been brought up, but I find it very odd that Rand would do this. All that I have read leads me to believe that Terrorist should be tried in Civilian courts, and I stop short of saying that Rand Paul is ignorant of the law. I don't think he is. But is this position taken simply because he feels he is unelectable otherwise, or is held out of a reasoned thought?

Just curious.



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Depends on the situation... if the terrorist is not a US citizen and is apprehended abroad, I think it is completely reasonable to try them in a military tribunal. We are, in essence, at war with Al-Qaeda and affiliate organizations, so it is a reasonable thing if they are captured abroad.

IF they are not US citizens but they are captured in the United States, as non-state actors, I would say try them in a civilian court.

And if they are US citizens, no matter where they are, they are under the protection of the Constitution (see: Al-Awlaki).

The difficulty in dealing with terrorists is that they are non-state actors and therefore, we have to try and apply the rules of war when dealing with them in one context, and the rules of criminal justice when we deal with them in another. But if we are just in our application of our own laws and standards, and we do not confuse the two contexts, we can do it in a way that protects our citizens' rights and also fights the war as well as possible.
 
Pardon me if I am rehashing something that has already been brought up, but I find it very odd that Rand would do this. All that I have read leads me to believe that Terrorist should be tried in Civilian courts, and I stop short of saying that Rand Paul is ignorant of the law. I don't think he is. But is this position taken simply because he feels he is unelectable otherwise, or is held out of a reasoned thought?

Just curious.



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Quite frankly I don't like Rand Pauls views.He is not the same as Ron Paul and its unfortunate because everything Ron Paul stands for is what I like.
 
Quite frankly I don't like Rand Pauls views.He is not the same as Ron Paul and its unfortunate because everything Ron Paul stands for is what I like.

So you don't like that Rand voted with the Democrats to try terrorists in civilian courts?
 
Quite frankly I don't like Rand Pauls views.He is not the same as Ron Paul and its unfortunate because everything Ron Paul stands for is what I like.

Funny enough, I'm with Rand on this issue and I think that those captured abroad have a better chance at a fair trial in a military court than they would a civilian court.
 
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