Rand opposes using military for deportations

[Swordsmyth]

And "drag" comedy of the classic type may not exactly be wholesome, but it has absolutely no relation to recent drag queen story hour pervert/pedo garbage.

 

[Invisible Man]

It's an invasion because hostile foreigners are entering to loot, murder, and destroy.

It follows from this that any people who are entering the USA without an intent to do any of those things aren't part of an invasion. Right?

 

[Invisible Man]

If only we could get all the illegals to self deport themselves by taking away all the incentives that brought them here in the first place.

Incentives like this country being safer, more free, and having better prospects for earning enough to live on than the ones they came from?

 

[Swordsmyth]

It follows from this that any people who are entering the USA without an intent to do any of those things aren't part of an invasion. Right?

It does not follow.
Anyone who enters in violation of our rules is part of the invasion.

The looting, murder, and destruction just illustrate it in bold.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Incentives like this country being safer, more free, and having better prospects for earning enough to live on than the ones they came from?

Thank you for admitting that we would still need to control the border in the absence of the welfare state etc.

 

[RJB]

Speaking of check ins. The next time that you, the count, Invisible Man and Ray Epps go to your next antifa meetings, come up with something better. I know it's been rough to call people woke names now that no one cares if you "consider" them made up terms like privileged, racist, homophobic, haters etc. But you need to do better.


I know you guys are apoplectic about the conspiracy about Starlink taking over voting machines, but nobody cares if you "consider" them to be "full fledged members of the Peter Thiel/Elon Musk Network" lol seriously! lol. Maybe call us Starlink bots? Starchilds? I don't know, but you gotta do something else. Hell even trying to accuse us of falling for the "left/right paradigm" when we didn't want to vote for a gun grabbing socialist was better than calling us the Leon Theil/ Musky Peter Party or whatever....

By the way, before that next Antifa meeting, would you guys take a dang shower and wash your nasty black skinny jeans? I suggested that before, but now I can smell you guys through the fricking computer screen.

Who in the he|| But, send my regards of kiss my @ss to Peter Thiel/Elon Musk the next time you check in.

 

[PAF]

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I know you guys are apoplectic about the conspiracy about Starlink taking over voting machines, but nobody cares if you "consider" them to be "full fledged members of the Peter Thiel/Elon Musk Network" lol seriously! lol. Maybe call us Starlink bots? Starchilds? I don't know, but you gotta do something else. Hell even trying to accuse us of falling for the "left/right paradigm" when we didn't want to vote for a gun grabbing socialist was better than calling us the Leon Theil/ Musky Peter Party or whatever....

Voting machines???

 

[RJB]

Voting machines???

Glad I gotta laugh out of you. Now wash those black skinny jeans.

 

[sparebulb]

wow, that's one of the most racist xenophobic things I've seen around here.

No one should get "free" stuff from the government (taxpayers) and ideally people shouldn't tresspass borders and the government should keep the borders secure.... but that's not the same thing as rounding people up and putting them on trains by the military to move them over to the border... geeze

Who said anything about race, Snowflake?

If they are Irish illegals and don't want to GTFO, then to the composter for them as well.

Plus, it is impossible for me to be racist because of my African background.

Immunity, baby!

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Three, the left isn't stopped by precedent or law.
They only use them to protect things like their invasion and replacement plan.

That's just a given. The left runs on emotion. Hypocrisy and rule of law is nothing to them. BAMN.

 

[jmdrake]

I didn't say you were using a different link, I said that there were two different sources used in different articles I posted, you are just making things up.
Just like you made up the claim (or took it from the MSM) that all the evidence on that thread had been debunked.

Just stop it with the bullshyt! THE SOURCE WAS FROM THE LINK SO IT'S THE SAME DAMN SOURCE! Really, you're just proving yourself to be a pathlogical liar.

 

[jmdrake]

And "drag" comedy of the classic type may not exactly be wholesome, but it has absolutely no relation to recent drag queen story hour pervert/pedo garbage.

And....that's mostly being done by, you can say it, WHITE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE MULTIPLE GENERATIONS! The Mexicans who voted 75% for Trump in a border town that is 97% Mexican are not that culturally different from the Mexicans on the other side of the border. Your whole "We must save American culture from Mexicans and Muslims" is just stupid because they tend to be more culturally conservative. They have fewer abortions. They are less likely to vote for LGBTQ. Are there reasons to deal with the border crisis and curtail the mass unchecked migration that's currently happening? Yes. The shift in support for Trump among Latinos shows that even they agree with this. But your cultural argument is bullshyt.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

The U.S. military has not traditionally been directly involved in the deportation of illegal immigrants within the United States due to legal restrictions like the Posse Comitatus Act, which limits the use of the military for domestic law enforcement. However, there have been instances and discussions regarding military involvement in immigration enforcement:


- **Support Roles**: While the military cannot directly enforce immigration laws inside the U.S., they have provided support in various ways:


- **Border Operations**: The military has been involved in border security operations, particularly at the U.S.-Mexico border, under both Democratic and Republican administrations. This includes logistical support, intelligence gathering, engineering projects like fence construction, and surveillance, but not the direct apprehension of immigrants for deportation.


- **Transportation**: The military has been used for transportation purposes, helping to move immigrants from one location to another, often in support of immigration authorities like ICE or CBP.


- **Historical Context**:


- **Operation Wetback (1954)**: During this operation under President Eisenhower, the military provided indirect support by assisting with logistics and coordination, but the actual deportations were conducted by the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), the predecessor to ICE.


- **Recent Proposals**: During the Trump administration, there were discussions and proposals about using the military for deportation activities:
- President Trump and his advisers, like Stephen Miller, talked about using the military to assist with deportations, potentially by invoking the Insurrection Act to override restrictions like the Posse Comitatus Act. However, these ideas did not result in widespread direct military involvement in deportations during his first term.


- **Current Discussions and Plans**:


- Following Donald Trump's election in 2024, there have been confirmations of plans to involve the military in mass deportation efforts. Trump has signaled intentions to declare a national emergency to use military assets for these purposes, though the exact scope and legal implications remain contentious.


- **Legal Challenges**: Any direct involvement of the military in deportation activities would likely face significant legal challenges regarding the Posse Comitatus Act and other laws that limit the military's domestic law enforcement role.


- **National Guard**: There's been mention of using the National Guard, which can be mobilized by state governors for law enforcement tasks, but this would still be subject to legal and constitutional scrutiny.


- **Posts on X**: There have been discussions and claims on social media about past and potential military involvement in deportations, often highlighting historical precedents or current political intentions. However, these posts should be treated with caution as they can contain misinformation or hyperbole.


In summary, while the military has not directly engaged in deporting illegal immigrants, they have supported immigration enforcement efforts in non-law enforcement capacities. The direct involvement of the military in deportations as suggested in recent political discourse would represent a significant shift, facing both legal and political scrutiny.


Citations:
- [](https://www.kgw.com/article/news/ve...heck/536-40aec438-fac1-4c16-8ebf-df91544cf5e0)
- [](https://fortune.com/2024/11/18/trum...onal-emergency-us-military-alien-enemies-act/)
- [](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-military-trump-mass-deportation-plan/)

 

[jmdrake]

Speaking of check ins. The next time that you, the count, Invisible Man and Ray Epps go to your next antifa meetings, come up with something better. I know it's been rough to call people woke names now that no one cares if you "consider" them made up terms like privileged, racist, homophobic, haters etc. But you need to do better.


I know you guys are apoplectic about the conspiracy about Starlink taking over voting machines, but nobody cares if you "consider" them to be "full fledged members of the Peter Thiel/Elon Musk Network" lol seriously! lol. Maybe call us Starlink bots? Starchilds? I don't know, but you gotta do something else. Hell even trying to accuse us of falling for the "left/right paradigm" when we didn't want to vote for a gun grabbing socialist was better than calling us the Leon Theil/ Musky Peter Party or whatever....

By the way, before that next Antifa meeting, would you guys take a dang shower and wash your nasty black skinny jeans? I suggested that before, but now I can smell you guys through the fricking computer screen.

Which "gun grabbing socialist" where are you talking about not wanting to vote for? Donald Trump?



Oh....I guess you mean RFK JR? Who just got nominated to Trump's cabinet? Of course HHS isn't a "gun grabbing" position (unless RFK JR decides to treat gun violence as a national health emergency), but the AG pick Pam Bondi is reportedly a gun grabber as well.

Anyhow...we'll see how everything pans out. Hopefully the Ukraine war will end sooner rather than later. Hopefully the U.S. military won't be used for mass deportation. Hopefully the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians won't continue. Hopefully the "virtual border wall" that both Biden and Trump support won't be implemented. Hopefully the Uhuru 3 will get a pardon. Hopefully Tim Scott's 2020 police reform bill will finally get passed along with Rand's bill to curb no knock raids. Hopefully decriminalization of marijuana will be completed. Hopefully...

 

[RJB]

Which "gun grabbing socialist" where are you talking about not wanting to vote for? Donald Trump?



Oh....I guess you mean RFK JR? Who just got nominated to Trump's cabinet? Of course HHS isn't a "gun grabbing" position (unless RFK JR decides to treat gun violence as a national health emergency), but the AG pick Pam Bondi is reportedly a gun grabber as well.

Anyhow...we'll see how everything pans out. Hopefully the Ukraine war will end sooner rather than later. Hopefully the U.S. military won't be used for mass deportation. Hopefully the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians won't continue. Hopefully the "virtual border wall" that both Biden and Trump support won't be implemented. Hopefully the Uhuru 3 will get a pardon. Hopefully Tim Scott's 2020 police reform bill will finally get passed along with Rand's bill to curb no knock raids. Hopefully decriminalization of marijuana will be completed. Hopefully...

That was a long post full of, "Well no shit, Sherlock."

 

[jmdrake]

That was a long post full of, "Well no $#@!, Sherlock."

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

Deportation should be drop them off where they entered.
My God Imagine Mexico having to deal with 20,000,000 people.

That would be a wake up call.

One would wonder how to logistically get them there on that ground. It is not like you throw them out of a plane. I would think Mexico would refuse to accept them and deny landing.

I guess you could open up a section of the wall and make them cross the river. Could fire some rounds behind them to encourage them.

I guess you could send some money into Mexico and after they get there go pick it up.
Imagine that though. I would think Mexico would not be for open borders.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Just stop it with the bullshyt! THE SOURCE WAS FROM THE LINK SO IT'S THE SAME DAMN SOURCE! Really, you're just proving yourself to be a pathlogical liar.

No, one of the articles talked about a second source.
You obviously didn't even read it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And....that's mostly being done by, you can say it, WHITE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE MULTIPLE GENERATIONS! The Mexicans who voted 75% for Trump in a border town that is 97% Mexican are not that culturally different from the Mexicans on the other side of the border. Your whole "We must save American culture from Mexicans and Muslims" is just stupid because they tend to be more culturally conservative. They have fewer abortions. They are less likely to vote for LGBTQ. Are there reasons to deal with the border crisis and curtail the mass unchecked migration that's currently happening? Yes. The shift in support for Trump among Latinos shows that even they agree with this. But your cultural argument is bullshyt.

It's mostly being done by secular Jews/Jews, people here for only a few generations, and immigrants/migrants imported by the left.
And it's been heavily supported by minorities voting overwhelmingly D, while whites vote against the people promoting it.
The exact composition of the tiny minority that supports both the pervert garbage and the mass replacement migration doesn't matter, what matters is the demographics of the people voting for the party shoving it down our throats.

Those border areas are culturally different from Mexico, and especially from all the other central/south American countries and other countries all over the world where the invaders are coming from.
But even with their differences they have consistently been voting D until now, hopefully they are waking up.
We can't afford to allow all the invaders (who are worse than the border communities have been in the past) to stay and allow in an unending stream of even more in the hope that perhaps one day they too will wake up.

You really are only able to see this through a racial lens and it shows.
Mexicans/hispanics and muslims as culture groups are not more culturally conservative, if they were they would have been voting R all along, unless their purpose all along has been to destroy us by voting D so they can conquer us, that would also be intolerable.
Voting on specific issues doesn't matter when you keep voting for the party that imposes the policies anyway.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It is not like you throw them out of a plane.

Says who?

I guess you could open up a section of the wall and make them cross the river. Could fire some rounds behind them to encourage them.