Rand Introduces the Life at Conception Act:

[supermario21]

Bush out-performed McCain and Romney for the very simple reason that social conservatives made up a large chunk of the voting block back in 2000. Those people just died off, and we replaced them with a generation of wannabe Marxists.

I would agree with you to an extent but these states have been losing population in general, and it is mostly younger people leaving. Also, the above stats I posted were from 2004. McCain and Romney did not inspire the base and therefore turnout was hurt. Romney's worst part of the state was south-central Ohio, fertile Republican ground, but they just didn't show up.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Oh, one of the perennial debates has sprung back to life on the forums! I'm of the pro-life camp, but I feel this position needs better defending than what i"ve seen on the forums so far. Until there's proof that life starts at conception, there will always be controversy about this. If either side has evidence for their opinion that is new (that is, at most 2 years old) I'd like to see it. Otherwise, I predict this thread will spiral around going nowhere like all the other abortion debates, and I'll just stay out. :/ Thanks! ~hugs~

 

[FriedChicken]

Knowing what I think I know of Rand ...
this bill is probably for the best [politically speaking]. Its hard for me to really reconcile that (it seems that it would really hurt him in a general election) but I don't see Rand doing something willingly (not backed into a corner) that would hurt his election chances.

Who knows ...
He seems to be the poster boy lately framing how repubs approach issues - maybe he'll finally make a credible pro-life case that doesn't require you to believe in God and belong to a specific philosophy or denomination to understand, respect and appreciate.

I'm obviously pro-life (if you read what I've posted tonight) but I do face palm on occasion when I hear republican politicians try to defend their position.

 

[FriedChicken]

Oh, one of the perennial debates has sprung back to life on the forums! I'm of the pro-life camp, but I feel this position needs better defending than what i"ve seen on the forums so far. Until there's proof that life starts at conception, there will always be controversy about this. If either side has evidence for their opinion that is new (that is, at most 2 years old) I'd like to see it. Otherwise, I predict this thread will spiral around going nowhere like all the other abortion debates, and I'll just stay out. :/ Thanks! ~hugs~

I think I understand and agree with what you're saying (hard to be sure when its 1am and my brain is foggy).
What do you think about my proposal for everyone to agree that life begins and should be protected 3 weeks after conception? Seems a lot of what gets argued about would be eliminated, would be much more enforceable and would eliminated essentially all abortions (since before that time most just use morning after pills and don't get a procedure).

 

[Pisces]

Rand has many Pat Buchanan like qualities, and he should appeal to the industrial midwest, especially if the Dems do not have Hillary. Without the auto bailout, Obama would have likely lost Ohio. Paul's genuine personality will help him in the region and he won't come off like some rich guy who can't relate to anyone, as he dealt with middle (and lower-class) America every day in his professional life, especially in Kentucky.

As you said, Bush did really well in these states. Heck, he only lost by .4 in Wisconsin, was within 3.5 in Michigan, and 2.5 in Pennsylvania.

I also noticed that in the latest PPP Pennsylvania GOP primary poll, Santorum was doing better with women than Rand. I think Rand coming out strongly pro-life will help him improve his numbers with female Republicans. It's just my experience, but women who are conservative seem to put a higher priority on voting pro-life than conservative men. Married women also tend to vote more Republican than single women. I think becoming a mother has a lot to do with that.

 

[Slutter McGee]

If your sperm has the potential to create life at any chance it can get...then should we mandate that you are allowed to impregnate any woman against their will?

I feel life begins in the balls. Therefore every time you masturbate you are killing entire civilizations. Shame on you.

I think the government should outlaw pulling out.

This has to be the most stupid statement I have ever seen. Are you really serious? Conception means the sperm gets to the egg. Not that you masturbate.

Dude, I am actually pro-choice, but I recognize that both sides have an argument. Stop acting like a liberal which means stop pulling shit out of your ass and pretending it is an insult.

Use your brain.

 

[I<3Liberty]

I hate it when people make this into a dilemma. The answer ought to be: find a way to give women freedom of choice without harming the unborn. The solution might look more like this... http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

 

[Slutter McGee]

I hate it when people make this into a dilemma. The answer ought to be: find a way to give women freedom of choice without harming the unborn. The solution might look more like this... http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

Did not follow the link. But an artifical womb would destroy most of the philsophical arguement.

 

[muh_roads]

It's not less important, but it's a King Solomon like proposal. There is no right answer in that type of rare scenario.

Exactly. Which is why it is pointless to try and stop all murder. What if it is deemed that we need a drone in every house equipped with cameras to stop all murder?

Would you like that? In this "Minority Report" alternate universe lets say, statistics show it protects the most amount of life in the new world order...what is trading away your privacy worth?

People should just mind their own business and worry about themselves. This is a huge slippery slope that begins government dictating your life...once facet at a time.

 

[muh_roads]

Bush out-performed McCain and Romney for the very simple reason that social conservatives made up a large chunk of the voting block back in 2000. Those people just died off, and we replaced them with a generation of wannabe Marxists.

I'm a Marxist because I want to make the tough choices for myself than rather allowing Government to do it for me?

The pro-choice libertarian is more consistent IMO.

 

[muh_roads]

This has to be the most stupid statement I have ever seen. Are you really serious? Conception means the sperm gets to the egg. Not that you masturbate.

Dude, I am actually pro-choice, but I recognize that both sides have an argument. Stop acting like a liberal which means stop pulling shit out of your ass and pretending it is an insult.

Use your brain.

The anger is strong in this one...lol.

Follow the rest of my posts to see where I was going with it. Legislating God's will, will be next. Pulling out is a sin to many after all. You don't want the religious conservatives legislating this issue. It will end badly.

My point is mind your own business and take care of yourself. All you are going to do is help those that feel they are entitled to your stuff since the 95% (we'll just keep using this number) mostly do have abortions for economic reasons, yes. I think these people should be respected for wanting to be financially responsible to take care of their own. But if you take away their right to make their own decision. They will come after you, hand extended outward and taken by force with government pointing a gun in your face to help them.

 

[muh_roads]

I hate it when people make this into a dilemma. The answer ought to be: find a way to give women freedom of choice without harming the unborn. The solution might look more like this... http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

Anti-choice men will reject this...lol Many seem to think "it is the woman's fault" after all.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

A baby's right to life does not trump self-ownership, lest we create rights based on group identity. To say that a woman could not evict a fetus from her body is to say that the fetus has the right to be sheltered and cared for. Only two logical outcomes can follow, if we are to remain in the libertarian realm:

1. The fetus is not a human
2. All individuals possess the right for another person to shelter and care for them

Additionally, if we are to consider evicting - the mere removal of the fetus, not a chemical or instrumental act of aggression - a fetus murder, due to it not receiving the necessary conditions for life, then we must consider declining to feed a starving man murder.

 

[mad cow]

Does a two year old have a right to be sheltered and cared for?May a parent put her out on the highway in winter to fend for herself if she breaks a favorite vase,say?How about a six year old?Serious question.

If the answer is yes,how far back in time does this mandatory sheltering and caring extend?

If the answer is no,I don't want to know the answer.

 

[Brett85]

Bush out-performed McCain and Romney for the very simple reason that social conservatives made up a large chunk of the voting block back in 2000. Those people just died off, and we replaced them with a generation of wannabe Marxists.

Not necessarily. A lot of these people just haven't showed up to vote since then because they were disappointed with George W. Bush's Presidency and didn't see McCain and Romney as decent candidates. Keep in mind that half of eligible voters don't even vote. You don't necessarily have to win an election by trying to shift the pie, you can make the pie bigger by bringing in new voters who became disillusioned with politics.

 

[No Free Beer]

woohoo!

Rand Paul: The Baby Saving Superhero!!!!!

 

[No Free Beer]

Ok, so we close down abortion clinics, then women who want abortions have to go to shady blackmarket clinics to get abortions. Some get infected and die, the women we catch we throw in prison for life.

Sounds great Rand.

So we pass laws that make it illegal for a human to take the life of another human, then people who want to kill other humans do it anyway. Some people get thrown in prison for life.

Sounds great BenIsForRon

 

[cheapseats]

Bush out-performed McCain and Romney for the very simple reason that social conservatives made up a large chunk of the voting block back in 2000. Those people just died off...

Those people did not all "die off". But the MAJORITY part of Moral Majority was ALLITERATION, not reality, and the MORAL part turned out to be both hyper-selective and ill-practiced.

The (apparently IMMORAL) majority got SICK of the noisy, hypocritical Moral Majority about the same time they got sick of Warhawk Gee Dub's FAITH-BASED INITIATIVES.

 

[Brett85]

The bottom line is that Rand at least has to take a hardcore socially conservative stance on this issue since he's deviating from the Republican Party line on issues like marriage and drugs. You just can't adopt the Libertarian Party's platform and be able to win a GOP primary. Rand has to run as a libertarian conservative who wants more tolerance on social issues but still wants to defend life, who wants less intervention overseas but still wants a strong national defense here at home.

 

[matt0611]

The anger is strong in this one...lol.

Follow the rest of my posts to see where I was going with it. Legislating God's will, will be next. Pulling out is a sin to many after all. You don't want the religious conservatives legislating this issue. It will end badly.

My point is mind your own business and take care of yourself. All you are going to do is help those that feel they are entitled to your stuff since the 95% (we'll just keep using this number) mostly do have abortions for economic reasons, yes. I think these people should be respected for wanting to be financially responsible to take care of their own. But if you take away their right to make their own decision. They will come after you, hand extended outward and taken by force with government pointing a gun in your face to help them.

How bout this, I don't want my infant baby anymore so I kill it, I suffocated it and dumped it in the trash. You gonna come after me? You gonna make this illegal? Why? Its NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!

Its my baby, its my house, you can't tell me what to do in my house, its my privacy! "Respect my decisions" please!

I don't share your religious views and/or morals so stop shoving your morality down my throat!

Next you'll be telling me that I can't beat my wife either.