Rand Introduces the Life at Conception Act:

[Brett85]

A liberty candidate like Ron/Rand Paul should have the easiest time defending pro-life positions. Without life, there is no liberty. And Democrats love pulling out the pro-life but pro-war line on Republicans, it wouldn't work on Rand.

Yeah, I think that would make the pro life position more popular if Republicans were actually consistently pro life.

 

[muh_roads]

Does your statement still make sense when I substitute the word "murder" for the word "abortion?"

If your sperm has the potential to create life at any chance it can get...then should we mandate that you are allowed to impregnate any woman against their will?

I feel life begins in the balls. Therefore every time you masturbate you are killing entire civilizations. Shame on you.

I think the government should outlaw pulling out.

 

[Brett85]

If your sperm has the potential to create life at any chance it can get...then should we mandate that you are allowed to impregnate any woman against their will?

I feel life begins in the balls. Therefore every time you masturbate you are killing entire civilizations. Shame on you.

So I take it you don't have a problem with the government defending life, but you just don't believe that the unborn are actually human beings. If that's the case, when does life actually begin?

 

[Rudeman]

If your sperm has the potential to create life at any chance it can get...then should we mandate that you are allowed to impregnate any woman against their will?

I feel life begins in the balls. Therefore every time you masturbate you are killing entire civilizations. Shame on you.

I think the government should outlaw pulling out.

How does life begin from the balls? Do men just sprout children there (wow that would suck)? That's as dumb as saying unfertilized eggs is where life begins and if you remove them you are killing potential people. Scientifically as soon as it has it's own DNA it is a separate being.


If you mentioned something regarding this in this thread forgive me because I only read the 1st page and skipped to the end and saw your post.

 

[muh_roads]

If that's the case, when does life actually begin?

Lets step it back a bit and use your comparison of a 10 year old with a few cells that just started dividing in the womb.

Should the government take away your right to eat meat? Surely the cow has a higher IQ than the human cells that just started dividing.

 

[Rudeman]

BTW from what I've read this isn't an anti-abortion bill, the result may end up being anti-abortion but all it states is the protection of live and when it begins.

 

[randfan7]

I don't know why anybody is surprised by this. Rand has said many times that his first politically related speech he made was on the subject of pro-life, it is clearly important to him. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex; it really is as simple as that. Even with our retarded educational system, everybody knows that if you don't have sex then you wont risk getting pregnant.

People who's #1 issue is reserving the right to kill kids disgusts me.

 

[Brett85]

BTW from what I've read this isn't an anti-abortion bill, the result may end up being anti-abortion but all it states is the protection of live and when it begins.

It's no different from the bills that Ron has proposed that define life as beginning at conception.

 

[muh_roads]

How does life begin from the balls? Do men just sprout children there (wow that would suck)? That's as dumb as saying unfertilized eggs is where life begins and if you remove them you are killing potential people. Scientifically as soon as it has it's own DNA it is a separate being.

If you mentioned something regarding this in this thread forgive me because I only read the 1st page and skipped to the end and saw your post.

Sperm is its own being. They know how to swim & maneuver their way to the egg. And gnaw on it until it gets its way in. If you deny this potential then I think pulling out should be outlawed. Don't deny the potential for life to be created at every corner.

And who is to say only human DNA matters? Life beginning at conception is a slippery slope. Now Peta gets involved.

Government should just fuck off. The pro-life movement seems very anti-woman to me. It treats women as if they are broodmares for the state and nothing more.

 

[Brett85]

Lets step it back a bit and use your comparison of a 10 year old with a few cells that just started dividing in the womb.

Should the government take away your right to eat meat? Surely the cow has a higher IQ than the human cells that just started dividing.

Ok, so the baby in the womb is just "a glob of cells" and not a real person. Ok.

 

[Brett85]

Sperm is its own being. They know how to swim & maneuver their way to the egg. And gnaw on it until it gets its way in. If you deny this potential then I think pulling out should be outlawed. Don't deny the potential for life to be created at every corner.

And who is to say only human DNA matters? Life beginning at conception is a slippery slope. Government should just fuck off. The pro-life movement seems very anti-woman. It treats women as if they are broodmares for the state.

In that case all murder laws should be repealed.

 

[muh_roads]

Ok, so the baby in the womb is just "a glob of cells" and not a real person. Ok.

Your view is that it isn't. What makes you right and another wrong?

 

[Brett85]

Your view is that it isn't. What makes you right and another wrong?

If I say that life doesn't begin until the age of three, what makes me wrong and someone else right? Why should someone have the right to force their morality on me and tell me that I don't have the right to take the life of a two year old child? The government should just stay out of it.

 

[muh_roads]

If I say that life doesn't begin until the age of three, what makes me wrong and someone else right? Why should someone have the right to force their morality on me and tell me that I don't have the right to take the life of a two year old child? The government should just stay out of it.

Because a few cells in the womb is brain dead while a 3 year old isn't. Same goes for the 3 year old that is brain dead connected to a machine like a vegetable. Those paying the bills to keep things running should have the decision, not you or government.

I also feel people should have the right to take their own life whenever they want.

 

[AuH20]

I don't know why anybody is surprised by this. Rand has said many times that his first politically related speech he made was on the subject of pro-life, it is clearly important to him. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex; it really is as simple as that. Even with our retarded educational system, everybody knows that if you don't have sex then you wont risk getting pregnant.

People who's #1 issue is reserving the right to kill kids disgusts me.

Killing for convenience and without provocation is BS. I agree.

 

[Brett85]

Because a few cells in the womb is brain dead while a 3 year old isn't. Same goes for the 3 year old that is brain dead connected to a machine like a vegetable. Those paying the bills to keep things running should have the decision, not you or government.

I also feel people should have the right to take their own life whenever they want.

What about a 3 year old who's mentally retarded? They obviously have a very low IQ. Shouldn't it be legal to kill them since those children are apparently too dumb to exist?

 

[randfan7]

In that case all murder laws should be repealed.

As long as you hire a doctor to kill somebody it should be legal cuz its "privacy" and all.

 

[AuH20]

I am not a Rand Fan, but I do not dismiss the possibility of his one day constituting the lesser of evils.

As such, I'm pretty good about staying out of his forum. But I'm tellin' ya, hardright anti-abortion rhetoric HURT y'all in the last election and you have every reason to suppose it would do so again.

Not if you explain it from the liberty prism as opposed to clumsily falling back on the Bible or "God." The democrats haven't seen anyone like Rand Paul. I welcome the coming hysterics when they cry for the right for infanticide.

 

[Rudeman]

Sperm is its own being. They know how to swim & maneuver their way to the egg. And gnaw on it until it gets its way in. If you deny this potential then I think pulling out should be outlawed. Don't deny the potential for life to be created at every corner.

And who is to say only human DNA matters? Life beginning at conception is a slippery slope. Now Peta gets involved.

Government should just fuck off. The pro-life movement seems very anti-woman to me. It treats women as if they are broodmares for the state and nothing more.

Cells move as well, yet I guess that isn't life? Shit they can use cells to create life as well.

How is it anti-woman? If we're going to have laws lets be consistent, and Ron said it best, if he ever made a mistake and killed an unborn child he would have been responsible. Either it's a life or it's not, being a woman is irrelevant.


Not sure how to respond to the Peta stuff. Is there some sort of animal abortion issue?

 

[AuH20]

I hate these stupid wedge issues. Just when I was getting democrats on board this shit comes out. lame.

The pendulum swings both ways...a state that makes abortion illegal can just as easily mandate abortion. Government should not interfere with a family and their personal decisions.

Agreed. But the real problem is that abortion is no longer taboo, thanks to a concerted effort by various elements in our schools, media and society. We don't need laws. We need SHAME! The democrats and their surrogate organizations treat the process of abortion like it's pulling up to the drive thru at a fast food restaurant. Whatever happened to "safe, legal and rare" as championed by the Clintons????????? That train left the station long ago.