Rand Introduces the Life at Conception Act:

[kcchiefs6465]

Isn't the right to life in essence a philosophical ban on murder?

There is still debate on that. I don't think Plan B is akin to murder. Furthermore, people are going to do it anyways and there's no real way to stop it. [aside from changing the morality of the people] Ron Paul has a very good view on abortion and the problems surrounding it. Rand Paul should have said it was a state's issue. Not many people have seen a late stage aborted fetus so they can't really relate when you call it murder. I'm not sure exactly when the cutoff should be. Clearly no abortions should be taking place after the first trimester.

Summary: We are a morally sick society and it isn't going to change.

 

[Brett85]

Then if all Rand cares about is winning the Primary this is a brilliant move. I just think this will really hurt him in the general if the media chooses to make it an issue.

Right, but I don't think it will hurt him anymore than opposing Roe v. Wade when only 28% of Americans believe that Roe v. Wade should be overturned. And obviously if Rand were to oppose overturning Roe v. Wade in a Republican Primary he would have absolutely no chance to win.

 

[itshappening]

Then if all Rand cares about is winning the Primary this is a brilliant move. I just think this will really hurt him in the general if the media chooses to make it an issue.

Oh they will. The Democrat Party are ruthless when it comes to issues like this.

They won't want to be talking about the economy or obamacare will they? So lets talk about abortion for 3 months and every hack, leftist journalist will get the memo

 

[Brett85]

Keep in mind that Rand has said that the morning after pill should be legal, and that's an alternative to abortion, particularly in cases of rape. That's an issue Rand can mention in the general election that will make him look more "mainstream."

 

[Brett85]

Oh they will. The Democrat Party are ruthless when it comes to issues like this.

They won't want to be talking about the economy or obamacare will they? So lets talk about abortion for 3 months and every hack, leftist journalist will get the memo

They would be talking about abortion even if Rand didn't introduce this law. This law doesn't make any difference.

 

[T.hill]

It opens a legal Pandora's Box for what constitutes HARM/ENDANGERMENT of the Unborn.

More billable hours, YAY!

I meant in the conventional sense, not relative to the unborn. Somebody said there was no federal ban on murder and if the universally recognizable right to life isn't in essence a ban on murder, than can states actually legalize it?

 

[itshappening]

Keep in mind that Rand has said that the morning after pill should be legal, and that's an alternative to abortion, particularly in cases of rape. That's an issue Rand can mention in the general election that will make him look more "mainstream."

ideally, we dont even want abortion to come up let alone "rape".

It should be economy, economy, economy.

These issues sink candidates. The Dems love it.

 

[supermario21]

As long as Santorum doesn't run, I don't think it'll come up much in the primaries.

 

[Christopholes11]

As long as Santorum doesn't run, I don't think it'll come up much in the primaries.

I'm not so sure about that. It could easily become another contest to see who can out-right everyone else to win the primary, which will only lose them the general.

 

[RockEnds]

Also, something to consider. No matter how much Rand does here, Santorum will always be the evangelical golden boy. Rand could get this passed and they'd still like frothy more.

I don't think so. Huckabee is the GOP golden boy around here. The evangelicals really bemoaned his decision not to run. Evangelicals really liked Huckabee. Santorum was the evangelical candidate through the process of elimination.

 

[eating_nachos]

ideally, we dont even want abortion to come up let alone "rape".

It should be economy, economy, economy.

These issues sink candidates. The Dems love it.

The republicans already tried this and it didn't work. What makes you think it will in 2016?

 

[T.hill]

There is still debate on that. I don't think Plan B is akin to murder. Furthermore, people are going to do it anyways and there's no real way to stop it. [aside from changing the morality of the people] Ron Paul has a very good view on abortion and the problems surrounding it. Rand Paul should have said it was a state's issue. Not many people have seen a late stage aborted fetus so they can't really relate when you call it murder. I'm not sure exactly when the cutoff should be. Clearly no abortions should be taking place after the first trimester.

Summary: We are a morally sick society and it isn't going to change.

I'm just asking for clarification for how under our Republic what the right to life means and if in essence is also a right not to be killed? I always thought that technically there are no federal laws against murder, but because we have a right to life, it's inferred and states could not violate that principle?

 

[supermario21]

I don't think so. Huckabee is the GOP golden boy around here. The evangelicals really bemoaned his decision not to run. Evangelicals really liked Huckabee. Santorum was the evangelical candidate through the process of elimination.

I'd agree there. Rand will not be the evangelical candidate regardless.

 

[RockEnds]

I'd agree there. Rand will not be the evangelical candidate regardless.

He could be, but not if he keeps his focus strictly on the issues. Getting the evangelical nod is more complicated than that. Bob Vander Plaats is the first name that comes to mind. Any chance Rand can play Free Bird at the Straw Poll?

 

[T.hill]

I'd agree there. Rand will not be the evangelical candidate regardless.

He can still get support from them, even Ron had some evangelical/religious-right supporters.

 

[supermario21]

I think Pat Robertson will support Rand. They see eye to eye on marijuana after all, and Rand will likely be the only GOPer to have that position.

 

[itshappening]

Costa from National Review is tweeting about a discussion he had with Santorum at CPAC. This might explain why Rand's doing what he's doing here as it will shore him up in IA and SC.

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@robertcostaNRO

fwiw, I think Santo & pals see 2016 as outside shot. But as party lders move ctr, they think they cld repeat 12 strategy of going rt of nom

@robertcostaNRO

Sat down with Santo after his speech for awhile. Was respectful to Portmn, but clearly thinks his so-con views still have real power in GOP

 

[anaconda]

I think Pat Robertson will support Rand. They see eye to eye on marijuana after all, and Rand will likely be the only GOPer to have that position.

For me Pat Robertson loses all credibility with his Charles Taylor blood diamond connection.

 

[EBounding]

Oh no, Rand might say he's a pro-life Republican and have legislation to back up the claim. It's all over.

 

[Matt Collins]

Insincere grandstanding on the Taxpayers' dime, is that it?

It's not insincere, it's not grandstanding, and submitting a bill doesn't really cost much money. Nice try, not.