Rand harmed himself attacking Christie, NOT Trump.

[klamath]

Got researching this and went to RCP average chart. I found Rand's high point in the fall of 2013 and also found that he plunged and Christie soared at the end of November 2013. Paul has NEVER recovered. I went back and researched what was happening November 2013. Here it is.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...es-up-with-alternative-to-beer-with-christie/
He attacked Christie in the debate as well and the pundantry all pretty much said Rand lost that bout and I didn't believe it at the time. Now I think it is true. Kind of reinforces the idea that Republicans never did buy into the Rand civil liberties stand.

 

[YesI'mALiberal]

You're missing - or denying - the true breakpoint in the fall of 2013; the event that killed Rand's momentum that he has never recovered from. I can say it in one word - Maddow.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Rand did not attack Christie in the debate. Christie attacked Rand first, after being prompted to by Megyn Kelly.

 

[twomp]

Both Christie and Trump are an affront on Liberty. They both deserved to be called out and attacked. If he loses the nomination standing up for Liberty then so be it.

 

[klamath]

Rand did not attack Christie in the debate. Christie attacked Rand first, after being prompted to by Megyn Kelly.

True. however he lost the engagement. Look at the RCP average chart real close and tell me what caused that that plunge and Christie's surge?

 

[YesI'mALiberal]

PLAGIARISM caused Rand's plunge. Were you asleep that month?

 

[klamath]

Both Christie and Trump are an affront on Liberty. They both deserved to be called out and attacked. If he loses the nomination standing up for Liberty then so be it.

Agree totally. My whole point is what is driving poll numbers. Trumpsters are saying Rand attacking Trump was his downfall when it really doesn't appear so.

 

[klamath]

You're missing - or denying - the true breakpoint in the fall of 2013; the event that killed Rand's momentum that he has never recovered from. I can say it in one word - Maddow.

Maddow has 0 sway on the republican electorate. Whoever she attacks Rebublicans will vote for. Maddow has been attacking rand since he won the kY Primary and he beat the democrat by 12 points

 

[YesI'mALiberal]

Maddow has 0 sway on the republican electorate. Whoever she attacks Rebublicans will vote for. Maddow has been attacking rand since he won the kY Primary and he beat the democrat by 12 points

Rand was counting on Independents, not the GOP exclusively. "Another kind of Republican." The plagiarism went straight to his credibility - which even the GOPers were quite happy to question, despite Rachel Maddow.

Rand's confrontation with Christie played out in July/August. By November, he was happily trolling Christie pushing his Beer Summit. Plagiarismgate struck in November. Paul's numbers started to tank in November. How you can trace that to events three months earlier while ignoring the elephant in the room is mystifying.

 

[Mr.NoSmile]

I love how apparently every move Paul makes, according to the political campaign experts on this forum, is wrong.

 

[goldwater's ghost]

rand's attack on christie was acceptable and smart though he came across a bit petulent in terms of delivery. those that back christie will never back rand. christie is an establishment neocon who we are fighting to overthrow. trump is a cult of personality. much trickier to attack him. some of his voters could be ours. we want those voters to not feel attacked when we go against trump

 

[klamath]

Rand was counting on Independents, not the GOP exclusively. "Another kind of Republican." The plagiarism went straight to his credibility - which even the GOPers were quite happy to question, despite Rachel Maddow.

Rand's confrontation with Christie played out in July/August. By November, he was pushing his Beer Summit. Plagiarismgate struck in November. Paul's numbers started to tank in November. How you can trace that to events three months earlier while ignoring the elephant in the room is mystifying.

Primary polling is of republicans. Why did Christie soar at that same time? I have not heard one Republican Anywhere mention credibility as the reason they quit supporting Rand. I know you want to give the credit to you liberal hero Maddow but you are not in this game you are on another team.

 

[klamath]

I love how apparently every move Paul makes, according to the political campaign experts on this forum, is wrong.

Not annilizing what the problem is. Care to tell me what caused the plunge from his high point?

 

[klamath]

rand's attack on christie was acceptable and smart though he came across a bit petulent in terms of delivery. those that back christie will never back rand. christie is an establishment neocon who we are fighting to overthrow. trump is a cult of personality. much trickier to attack him. some of his voters could be ours. we want those voters to not feel attacked when we go against trump

Attacking another candidate isn't necessarily to get that candidates supporters but to draw voters from other areas. Rand has been going down long before Trump was on the scene. Coming across as a bit petulant maybe the very problem. His style might not be cut out to attack others.

 

[Rad]

The media ignores him and he is trying to fit in instead of standing out (or he is being Rand and everyone is confused about who Rand is because people confuse Rand the good son with Rand who is his own man). The fat guy would be polling better if those exchanges were his Ron Paul - Giuliani moment.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

I'm not convinced, Rand just spoke up for Bill of Rights while Christie was getting all huffy puffy.

 

[Hoax]

strike that I can't read

though he did drop in the polls when he was an apologist for the Ferguson rioters as well, but that was a year later in fall 2014

 

[cindy25]

You're missing - or denying - the true breakpoint in the fall of 2013; the event that killed Rand's momentum that he has never recovered from. I can say it in one word - Maddow.

not Maddow, but ISIS

 

[cindy25]

Christie is the symbol of NSA fascism, more than any other candidate, and needs to be attacked as its Rand's signature issue. Trump has no issues that he believes in, and just says what he perceives is popular.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Because they think he is part of the establishment, is the largest reason. As far as the debate goes, they did not understand that exchange between Trump and Rand.