Rand got less than half the votes than Ron got

[Matt Collins]

It's because it seems like a lot of people are running out of energy. I didn't feel the excitement this year that the 2008 and 2012 campaigns did.

Exactly.... morale is nonexistant and sadly the result will be the diffusion of the national movement, perhaps fading until there is another national figure that we can rally around... sadly, if history repeats itself, it will take at least another generation for that to happen

 

[Matt Collins]

My conclusion from this entire election cycle is simply this... About 97% of the country is completely retarded.

Even if true, people still manage to win elections. Marketing is a science for the most part and works if the basic rules are followed.

 

[Matt Collins]

matt. you are banned for a bit. fuck off you piece of shit.

That is very mature and becoming of a moderator. Hey, doesn't that break the rules?

 

[Matt Collins]

This is BS, Matt should not have been banned for pointing this out.. I am sooo pissed right now at the piss poor results last night I have a hard time gathering my thoughts and all that Matt did is point out the truth. 5% people, how the heck does any sane person justify this in their mind enough to have confidence in the campaign going forward...? I guess ban me too if you feel like you need to but this movement use to be all about liberty and if well intended and established members can no longer speak their mind, (good or bad) we may have already lost anyway....

Why would you ban him? It's the truth. What kind of fucking cunt are you?

You hate liberty.

Well I certainly do not want banned but technically speaking I can find no wrong with anything he said?? I think if anything Rand or anyone else should learn from this is people want the cold hard truth, they don't want it sugar coated. Go Rand, nonetheless!

If he deserved to be banned for something he posted in another thread like that video, then he should be been chastised for that in that thread and banned there.
Not for posting factual information comparing Ron's figure's in 08 and 12 to Rand's in 16, it sends the wrong message to all the forum members.
That is my point.

Until I saw this from a MOD to somebody with over 41,000 posts and been here since 07, I only thought tonight things were over for Rand.
Now I realize something even much sadder, this night brings to end to RPF as viable place to post and discuss politics realistically and pragmatically.

It's a very sad night indeed

Unless there is something else that Collins did to get banned besides this post. You had zero reason to ban him.

Is he banned for being factual. I understand that it hurts and the reality sucks but it's better than deluding one's self.

Nevermind Kotin, he is just a kid and obviously not very mature.

 

[Matt Collins]

Matt came on here as he does most of the time these days to instigate. This had nothing to do with constructive criticism of the campaign or Rand Paul which I have no problem with whatsoever.

He was trolling in the clearest sense of the word. At a time when it really is just not okay to do.. Criticism is always okay and welcomed and needed frankly at this point but that is NOT what he was doing and he has not done for Quite a while. He was gloating, but why I cannot understand but will not let him do that to the people who have worked so tirelessly for this campaign

It is a temp ban and he deserved it.

He was trolling do you see anyone else banned for "speaking the truth"???

Lots of criticism and I am fine with that, did anyone even read my previous post?

Matt was trolling and gloating on a loss. It's a temp ban and once again he deserves it

 

[CPUd]

 

[wmmonk]

No, I'm angry that our work over the last 8 years was flushed down the toilet needlessly.

When was it flushed down the toilet, and WHO flushed the toilet?
Last I checked, Vermin Supreme still has a chance.

Seriously though, this is hindsight on your part, is it not? Can you point to anything before Rand announced and assembled the team, that shows where you were critical or pointed to something that needed addressing?

If Vermin Supreme is forward thinking, I think you could be also. Instead of dwelling on the past without actually naming problems and having solutions, let us focus on the here and now. Maybe we can get Vermin Supreme to add a VISION PLAN to his speeches?
His PONY and DENTAL Plans are fantastic.

Maybe we can use Vermin Supreme's 2016 candidacy, to educate and awaken one more? And even if not, just remember: The Future Is Bright! Smile Into the Night! King Supreme, 2016!

 

[Matt Collins]

Seriously though, this is hindsight on your part, is it not? Can you point to anything before Rand announced and assembled the team, that shows where you were critical or pointed to something that needed addressing?

No I knew months ago that Rand was in trouble, and anyone who followed my posts saw that I would lightly allude to it. But I kept quiet as I didn't want to lower morale.

 

[wmmonk]

No I knew months ago that Rand was in trouble, and anyone who followed my posts saw that I would lightly allude to it. But I kept quiet as I didn't want to lower morale.

Only months ago? And, alluding to it? So, you were part of the problem, instead of the solution? Casting stones after the campaign is down, instead of raising a bullhorn before it got going?

What posts are you talking about where you alluded to this?

 

[Occam's Banana]

Lesson learned? VERMIN SUPREME, 2016. It's time for another KING!

Seriously though, [...]

Last I checked, Vermin Supreme still has a chance.

Seriously though, [...]

Wait, wait, wait ... why do you keep following your statements about Vermin Supreme with the phrase "seriously though" ... ?

Are you implying that Vermin's campaign isn't really to be taken seriously?

 

[Matt Collins]

Only months ago? And, alluding to it? So, you were part of the problem, instead of the solution? Casting stones after the campaign is down, instead of raising a bullhorn before it got going?

Nope, nothing I could've done would have changed anything. As I mentioned, the problems were internal.

 

[JK/SEA]

No, I'm angry that our work over the last 8 years was flushed down the toilet needlessly.

yep, and both times it was the GOP pulling the handle.

 

[TheTexan]

Nope, nothing I could've done would have changed anything. As I mentioned, the problems were internal.

Were they not identifying, targeting, and mobilizing voters, hard enough?

 

[wmmonk]

Were they not identifying, targeting, and mobilizing voters, hard enough?

Maybe they didn't have enough money? If that was the case we all could have just voted harder. How hard did we all vote? Not hard enough.

 

[Matt Collins]

Were they not identifying, targeting, and mobilizing voters, hard enough?

- lack of fundraising effort (which led to many inabilities, including a winning narrative)
- sloppy messaging
- taking the base for granted while trying to expand the base
- not keeping up relationships with the grassroots

Those are the highlights.

 

[wmmonk]

- lack of fundraising effort (which led to many inabilities, including a winning narrative)
- sloppy messaging
- taking the base for granted while trying to expand the base
- not keeping up relationships with the grassroots

Those are the highlights.

These things were going on in 2012, and just kept on in 2016.
These things were happening greatly under the 2012 campaign, at least the important parts.
When they lost the base, and the relationships with the grassroots, the first one went completely away.

Weren't you one of the very people saying that these things wouldn't be necessary or a problem? And to let the professionals handle it, because they knew what they were doing? BUT NOW, NOW that the campaign is dead, you have these "thoughts" and they are allowed?

 

[nemt4paul]

No, you are missing my nuance so allow me to expand slightly. If Rand was going to win then he had to expand the base which meant he had to be a little more friendly to those voters who are not strictly libertarian leaning voters. The problem is that in that process, he did not hold on to his base like he should have. This is a fickle group and apparently requires extra hand holding which was not given. Fundraising effort was minimal too.

All of the potential new voters went to better anti-establishment candidates (Cruz / Trump) and the base largely shrugged and stayed home because they were not involved in the process.

His fundraising effort was "minimal" because his campaign didn't resonate with "the people". Glad he followed your advice to cozy up to the establishment and alienate his base.

 

[CPUd]

His fundraising effort was "minimal" because his campaign didn't resonate with "the people". Glad he followed your advice to cozy up to the establishment and alienate his base.

Were you the "unnamed Republican strategist"?

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

- lack of fundraising effort (which led to many inabilities, including a winning narrative)
- sloppy messaging
- taking the base for granted while trying to expand the base
- not keeping up relationships with the grassroots

Those are the highlights.

These are NOTHING compared to the part played by the MEDIA!!! When you going to get it matt?? It's the MEDIA! Without media coverage you can do EVERYTHING right and still get 5%. If you don't get covered you won't get votes...

P.S. I'm not going to waste my time doing a search and pointing out all your negative comments over the course of this campaign but I REMEMBER that you were constantly nagging (like an old woman) about how RIGHT you are and how WRONG the campaign was about many things. Really? Is that so important to you?? You are going to break your arm patting yourself on the back so much. Time to just shut up and gain some respect)

 

[Matt Collins]

Glad he followed your advice to cozy up to the establishment and alienate his base.

That was not my advice, in fact it was the opposite.