Rand got less than half the votes than Ron got

"We had a major disconnect this time around because the "old school" was here and the youth were elsewhere. If we could have connected, maybe things would have been better but without the media giving us a fair shake it was doomed when Trump entered and the media could talk of no one else..."

It's a good point although it should be said we're a form of social media, albeit old fashioned. Obviously the kids are going to be the ones who inherit this movement and hopefully they can do a better job building on what we started.
 
Badger Paul said:
"We had a major disconnect this time around because the "old school" was here and the youth were elsewhere. If we could have connected, maybe things would have been better but without the media giving us a fair shake it was doomed when Trump entered and the media could talk of no one else..."

It's a good point although it should be said we're a form of social media, albeit old fashioned. Obviously the kids are going to be the ones who inherit this movement and hopefully they can do a better job building on what we started.
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Amen... I know I'm planning on checking out sometime in the next 20 years (statistically). Most people don't live past 75 and I'm 64 next month. Sure, I could last longer but lets face it guys, you only have so many days. The youth are the future and I hope we can give them the tools to take it on and promote liberty...
 
ChristianAnarchist said:
Amen... I know I'm planning on checking out sometime in the next 20 years (statistically). Most people don't live past 75 and I'm 64 next month. Sure, I could last longer but lets face it guys, you only have so many days. The youth are the future and I hope we can give them the tools to take it on and promote liberty...
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The majority of people who are 64 make it past 75.
 
Cutlerzzz said:
The majority of people who are 64 make it past 75.
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Statistically every day you live is one day closer to your death. Since I've lived over 23,000 days I'm getting pretty close. Every life is different and you never know if you are about to have a fatal meeting with a bus but you can be sure that tomorrow (if you live till then) is one day closer to the end...
 
ChristianAnarchist said:
I'm afraid the problem is with us folks, not the campaign.
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Why are you trying to blame me? I didn't make liberty unpopular.

I drove the Rand Paul Corvette up there to Iowa and followed the campaign.
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At the last minute you used your disposable income to wrap your Corvette with Rand. Most of us can't afford a corvette. Even more of us cant afford to wrap one in political propaganda. That's why you gave me a negative rep a few days ago for saying that Collins was banned for being factual. You wasted your money on a lost cause and took it out on me. I gave about $200 and then realized it would be better to spend my money on myself.

All the rallies in the little towns with the stodgy old folks (like me) were boring affairs. When we got to the university where Ron came to support Rand it was like old times!! The crowd was electric and engaged. The kids were there in great numbers and they were excited by the ideas of liberty.
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Hardly any of them voted for Rand.

They supported Rand and some of them didn't even know much about Ron. They absolutely LOVED the corvette and these kids really got what liberty was all about. When I asked some if they ever go to ronpaulforums they were in the dark. They had never heard of "us". Face it guys, we are old school. We missed the bus. It's all social media now (as much as I hate it). If you're not on facebook or twitter then they don't know what you are up to.
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Do you honestly think they knew enough about Rand's positions to support him but didn't know anything about Ron Paul? Then you are absolutely autistic. They told you that they support Rand so that you would leave them alone; because you were the awkward weird person that painted their car for a politician.
 
Badger Paul said:
" had that same excitement. I couldn't wait to get home from work and fire up the internet to see what mainstream fallacy Ron was smashing that day! With Rand I very rarely reached that level of enthusiasm. I checked these forums maybe once a week. With Ron I had this place bookmarked and was on here constantly."

Me too. First time I ever saw Rand on video was after his primary win in 2010 and I said to myself. "Boy, for someone who became the first Paul to win a statewide election, he sure doesn't look happy. That impression never left me. I don't think he finds a joy in the process by spreading the message the way Ron did.
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Because he can't be himself. He's much, much closer to Ron than he let's on I suspect.
 
jaymur said:
It seemed that in 2012 Ron Paul started out with more people knowing about him and it seemed like support had only grown in the time between elections. It was sooooooo disappointing that Mitt Robbery won. I know it has been tough for me to get behind Rand as much because of the major disappointment I felt with the American people in 2012. And now, I mean, Bernie Sanders "THE SOCIALIST" getting 50% of the vote? I remember people were treated as crazy or as racists for even suggesting Obama was a socialist.
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Don't blame the "people" for 2012.... the PCC in Iowa was doing everything functionally they could to win. The results were so close that if someone had farted the wrong direction the top 3 could've very well been in a different order. That being said, Ron also refused to tweak his messaging in order to push him over the top.

We sent memos to him on messaging strategy and he pretty much completely ignored them.
 
fisharmor said:
I'm sure this wasn't the reason, but Collins has always been the first person to shit on Ron's tactics and say repeatedly that Rand needed to be doing exactly what he was doing, because none of us understands politics.
For him to come in here and pretend like he isn't the biggest cheerleader for the strategy Rand was using, is the height of two-facedness.
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No, you are missing my nuance so allow me to expand slightly. If Rand was going to win then he had to expand the base which meant he had to be a little more friendly to those voters who are not strictly libertarian leaning voters. The problem is that in that process, he did not hold on to his base like he should have. This is a fickle group and apparently requires extra hand holding which was not given. Fundraising effort was minimal too.

All of the potential new voters went to better anti-establishment candidates (Cruz / Trump) and the base largely shrugged and stayed home because they were not involved in the process.
 
LibertyEagle said:
And if he would have kept all of the libertarian purists, he would have still lost. Because in reality, those purists were only a small fraction of Ron's supporters.
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Yes, external factors may have prohibited Rand from winning, that we'll never know since he wasn't even in the ballpark. But the DEPTH of his loss was completely due to internal factors.
 
invisible said:
I thought The Collins was actually working for Rand's campaign in some paid capacity. Did that change?
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Nope, never did. I helped out some at the launch, but that was about it. I was busy on other projects, and then had to take a career change due to health reasons last year.
 
Anti Federalist said:
Poor performance caused by adopting the style and political management of his campaign that people like you wanted.

He could hardly have done worse, had he been surrounded by chanting, snowball throwing, sign wavers and hell raisers.
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K466 said:
So much for mainstreaming and moderating and flip-flopping towards the middle. Gee, if I recall correctly that's what Matt Collins advocated in the beginning... amirite?
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Negative, see this
 
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