Rand calls for libertarians to join GOP, run for office:

I'm not looking for a Gary Johnson style libertarian. I want a Ron Paul style libertarian who doesn't pander to Boobus, but rather takes the time to show Boobus where he went wrong. We can't expect to have small government at the same time we're expanding the military budget and catering to Israel's every demand. We can't expect to have small government and a drug war. We can't expect to have small government while micromanaging who can marry whom. I want a Ron Paul libertarian who tells it like it is, whether he can get elected or not.
 
I want a Ron Paul style libertarian who doesn't pander to Boobus, but rather takes the time to show Boobus where he went wrong. We can't expect to have small government at the same time we're expanding the military budget and catering to Israel's every demand.

According to Adam Kinzinger, Rand wants to cut the military in half. :)
 
There's nothing I hate more than when someone says "I'm a Libertarian, which is basically someone who wants less taxes while supporting abortion, gay marriage, and weed!"

Well, I agree that its annoying, although "Christian" neoconservatives annoy me far more. I'm not a big Gary Johnson fan, but I wouldn't say this is quite what he is (although he definitely is attractive to that crowd.) I definitely think he's less libertarian than Rand though, and Rand isn't even really a libertarian.
 
Neocon-lite can't even come close to winning a primary against the neocons that "represent" me. What a joke.
 
Parties don't matter, if anyone here plans on running for public office pick whichever party gives you the best chance to win.
 
Hmm? That would seem to suggest and imply that Rand doesn't really GET that whole "libertarian" thing nor it's principles. :(

Well, what's really to be expected from a "GOP conservative realist" (oxymoron)? ;)
 
It's definitely sugar coating the current situation, but if people follow his lead then it can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Tea Party was largely an insurgence within the GOP. Obviously it did not take over the GOP, but it ended up getting a hell of a lot more influence over national politics than it would have if it had insisted on splitting to another irrelevant third party. With enough of a groundswell, it is possible to run the bad folks out of the GOP and replace them with liberty friendly people. This is exactly what Rand is trying to do. It doesn't happen overnight, although it could happen a lot faster if we managed to get term limits.

Okay, okay, more people get elected under the "reform/save the GOP" approach than via the LP/CP, same as it ever was. Then the policy never changes, same as it ever was. What part of the welfare state has gotten repealed, what part of the warfare state has been reduced under this approach? "It doesn't happen overnight," you say? It hasn't happened in decades, and a recent blip of some election victories hasn't changed that basic dynamic.

I would say the independent liberty movement in general is more responsible for getting the political environment back to being oriented around real reform, precisely by NOT being dependent on the major parties or MSM to establish its legitimacy. We (and to a lesser extent, Tea Party supporters) have done an end run around them, and don't buckle when they attempt to whip us into "mainstream," or go with the establishment flow conformity.

How exactly are the Republican reformers supposed "to run the bad folks out of the GOP" in the form of the big banks, big business, big lobbies, and big military contractors that control both parties from the top? Do the reformers have more resources than those factions? The reform can't happen from the inside, because the main bad folks are the puppet masters who run the show from without it. If you get rid of the current "bad folks" leadership, the elite controllers will simply replace them with another set of puppets. So yes, use the main party label as leverage to get into office where possible, but don't expect either of the elite owned majors to ever be reformed, as the concept is fatally flawed.
 
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Love it!
 
Joining the GOP is worth it just for the sake of causing turmoil. There are also a lot of disenfranchised conservatives looking to be led who are open to liberty-orientated ideas.
 
Joining the GOP is worth it just for the sake of causing turmoil. There are also a lot of disenfranchised conservatives looking to be led who are open to liberty-orientated ideas.

Yeah... sure... The GOP would LOVE if libertarians joined them. So would the Democrats too. Herd everyone back into the 2-party system. Round and around we go....
 
Yeah... sure... The GOP would LOVE if libertarians joined them. So would the Democrats too. Herd everyone back into the 2-party system. Round and around we go....

No, the GOP is doing everything they can to keep libertarians out. Their constituents are pissed off and susceptible to the liberty message.
 
No, the GOP is doing everything they can to keep libertarians out. Their constituents are pissed off and susceptible to the liberty message.

Really? And how are they doing that? Seems to me Rince Priebus, the RNC committee chairman is asking Rand for his help with courting libertarians. These guys are politicians. They WANT voters. The more the better. Haven't you heard? EVERYONE is all about liberty. Team Red. Team Blue. I have yet to hear either side they are against liberty.

The only difference if you decide to fall for it again this time or not.
 
Really? And how are they doing that? Seems to me Rince Priebus, the RNC committee chairman is asking Rand for his help with courting libertarians. These guys are politicians. They WANT voters. The more the better. Haven't you heard? EVERYONE is all about liberty. Team Red. Team Blue. I have yet to hear either side they are against liberty.

The only difference if you decide to fall for it again this time or not.

Again, you are simply incorrect. They are doing everything they can to drive libertarians out. Why did you think they primaried Bentivolio and Amash in Michigan?
 
Again, you are simply incorrect. They are doing everything they can to drive libertarians out. Why did you think they primaried Bentivolio and Amash in Michigan?

First off, Bentivolio? A libertarian? I don't think so. Second, you are incorrect. While Amash is a libertarian leaning politician, he isn't being drive out for simply being a libertarian. He is being driven out because he doesn't do what the GOP leaders tell him to do. No politician in their right mind would deliberately chase away potential voters. They do what ALL politicians do, they tell the voters what they want to hear then when elected, do what they want.

This whole "hey libertarains, join the GOP, we love liberty" is an example of that. While it would definitely help to have libertarian leaning politicians like Rand Paul in office, having the GOP absorb the libertarian party is the worst way to go about bringing liberty back. We need more political parties, not less. No matter how much it will benefit in the short run. More competition is needed not less.
 
This thread is a perfect example of why Randal shouldn't waste any time with the Libertarian vote.

Agreed. He should just work on getting the Team Red vote like Romney and McCain. This thread is also a perfect example of why battered and abused wives go back to their spouses. Relying on Team Red or Team Blue to fix a problem that they created in the first place. "This time, it will be different. They promised they would change."
 
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