Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[Weston White]

How would they do that without affecting the entire area and residents? (pissing off more people)

And what about the reverse effect of having it backfire?

And some,, asking these questions do not understand that most of the folks there are outdoors-men, Farmers,, Hunters, etc.
they have no problem with no utilities,, and many have survival means of their own.

It is an empty threat.

Please now, they are streaming from hotel/motel rooms.

The point is the feds are failing to conduct an appropriate show of force, so much so that even the governor is getting frustrated.

Recall Waco, they were not permitted to come and go as they pleased, meanwhile communicating with outside world, enjoying daily mail-calls, and the like.

 

[Thor]

Deer are plentiful,, and some of them own cattle.

Do the deer need to register the cattle they own, or is it a gentleman's agreement?

Sorry, couldn't resist... LOL.

Glad this thread is keeping up with what is going on out there... Thx!

 

[goldenequity]

Professor Doom
Breaking Burns Oregon: Here is what is going on
(INTEL: 'Rapid Deployment' Assets via C-130's/'Troop' accommodations booked now observed/reported in Portland)

 

[pcosmar]

Please now, they are streaming from hotel/motel rooms.

The point is the feds are failing to conduct an appropriate show of force, so much so that even the governor is getting frustrated.

Recall Waco, they were not permitted to come and go as they pleased, meanwhile communicating with outside world, enjoying daily mail-calls, and the like.

Please now..
The folks at Waco were alone and outnumbered from the start. as many of these folks have been in the past.

The folks at Waco did not have 500 rifles outside the compound on over watch.

What happened at Waco will not be allowed to be repeated.

And I have no idea how many are actually there,, but the last time most were never seen.
And they won't be seen this time.. Those you see are the few that for their own reasons allow it.. They want to be seen and heard.

They are guarded by the unseen.

 

[goldenequity]

Oath Keepers Interview with LaVoy Finicum
Published on Jan 20, 2016
and
Ron Paul on Burns Oregon Standoff and Jury Nullification for the Hammond Family (Recorded January 6th 2016)

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Professor Doom
Breaking Burns Oregon: Here is what is going on
(INTEL: 'Rapid Deployment' Assets via C-130's/'Troop' accommodations booked now observed/reported in Portland)

Doesn't sound like this will end well...

 

[pcosmar]

Doesn't sound like this will end well...

Ye of little faith,,

 

[Stateofmind]

https://youtu.be/Cjwonvar-3g

 

[phill4paul]

Doesn't sound like this will end well...

It will end how it ends. "Well" is subjective. One thing that can be assured of is that it will not end how the Feds think it will end up killing anyone while hut-hutting about.

 

[goldenequity]

Ammon Bundy dialoging with (local) FBI boss (by cell phone)

Great stuff! "Well if that's it then.... I've got some other stuff to do... I'm meeting with some legislators on their way from New Mexico.." - - Ammon Bundy
Hard Copy: Today, about 1 Hour Old



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The host took the link down under pressure from the 'livestreamer' Pete Santilli.
Here's the original Santilli link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_jK0IKYpp8
actual dialog starts @ 8:15 and runs about 40 minutes.

 

[Zippyjuan]

I have lost track. Since the Hammonds turned themselves in and have said they want nothing to do with the protesters- what are their demands?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-armed-protest/

Throughout the siege, Bundy has claimed the two ranchers were targeted for not selling land to the government.

But the father-and-son ranchers have distanced themselves from the group.

"Neither Ammon Bundy nor anyone within his group/organization speak for the Hammond family," the Hammonds' attorney, W. Alan Schroeder, wrote to Harney County Sheriff David Ward.

On Monday, the Hammonds turned themselves in to prison to serve their five-year sentences.

Now, it's time for the protesters to end the siege, the sheriff said.

"You said you were here to help the citizens of Harney County. That help ended when a peaceful protest became an armed occupation," Ward said.

"The Hammonds have turned themselves in. It's time for you to leave our community, go home to your families and end this peacefully."

One of them goes by the name "Fluffy Unicorn?" From report on today's FBI call:

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burn...ia-news-updates/negotiations-begin-bundy-fbi/

“The only ones that are going to make this a non-peaceful event will be you guys — the FBI or other law enforcement,” Bundy told the negotiator by phone.

“I want to keep the dialogue going. We want to work together with you,” the negotiator said to Bundy.

The negotiator did not say his name, but other FBI agents present confirmed his role as a mediator.

Several other militants, including Ryan Payne and Brian Cavalier (who goes by the pseudonym “Fluffy Unicorn”), accompanied Bundy to the FBI base.

Three plainclothes FBI agents and a few sheriff’s deputies were also on the scene. In a conversational tone, the negotiator told Bundy that they are dealing with some significant issues that could take some time to work through.

Bundy said the negotiator contacted him for the first time Wednesday by phone.

He was hoping to talk with him in person at the FBI base. The two ended the conversation with a promise to speak again Friday.

Bundy asked to talk with the negotiator face to face next time.

Before they hung up, Bundy asked the negotiator if he’s LDS — a member of the church of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The negotiator said he is not.

Bundy told reporters that meant he’d lost a bet.

“That’s just usually how they do it. They get people that are like-minded. The FBI, they’re smart people, they want to get along,” said Bundy.

“We’re glad to open a dialogue with him,” said Craig Overby, one of the three FBI agents present for the conversation. “What we have in common is we want a peaceful resolution. And I think he wants that too.”

The FBI would not comment on any plans for future negotiations with the occupiers, but said in a statement that its response has been “deliberate and measured.”

Looks like Fluffy Unicorn lied about being in the military: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...fghanistan-Iraq-boost-combat-credentials.html

 

[dannno]

I have lost track. Since the Hammonds turned themselves in and have said they want nothing to do with the protesters- what are their demands?

They actually never said that - the Hammonds I assure you are very pleased and thankful someone is standing up for them, but due to the threats they received that they would find themselves in inferior prisons if they communicated in any way with the Bundy group, their lawyers essentially made a statement that they had nothing to do with them - there was NEVER a statement made that they WANTED nothing to do with them. You are quite the deception artist sometimes, zippo.

And to answer your question, they want them released from jail and they are also trying to stop the government takeover of some other land in the area.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Thanks for the info. They will leave after the government does not take somebody's land? How do they determine when that has occurred?

So their lawyer never made that statement?

http://www.capitalpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2015151239985

Bundy’s son, Ammon, posted a Facebook video asking Bundy Ranch supporters to come Saturday to Burns, the county seat of Harney County, where the Hammonds live. Bundy said the Hammonds are being persecuted by a land-grabbing federal government and that their case was “in many ways more important than the Bundy Ranch.”

In an earlier video, Ammon Bundy said, “I feel justified in defending the Hammonds, even they don’t have the strength and courage right now to stand for themselves.”

The Hammonds’ attorney, Alan Schroeder, said Wednesday that the Hammonds appreciate the support they’ve received from groups and individuals, but reaffirmed that militia members do not speak for them and that they intend to serve their time.

Montana resident Ryan Payne, an associate of Bundy’s and who participated in the standoff with federal officials at the Bundy Ranch, said Wednesday he hoped the Hammonds will reconsider and accept “protection.”

“They’re not in prison yet,” Payne said.

 

[dannno]

Thanks for the info. They will leave after the government does not take somebody's land? How do they determine when that has occurred?

When they declare it belongs who it rightly belongs to.

So their lawyer never made that statement?

Look at the word I bolded - the laywer made the statement that the government forced them to make. You insinuated that was the statement they wanted to make and what they wanted to happen.

If you are in prison unjustly and somebody is fighting to get you out, you are fucking thankful for them numnutz.

 

[Zippyjuan]

(see my update above yours)

 

[goldenequity]

In a conversational tone, the negotiator told Bundy that they are dealing with some significant issues that could take some time to work through.

That's gotta be the understatement of the year.

 

[dannno]

(see my update above yours)

I already told you why the lawyer made the statement distancing themselves from the group.

 

[goldenequity]

Hard Copy of FIRST FBI chat posted above.
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Earlier Today: 01/21/2016 Ammon Bundy Interview

 

[goldenequity]

OREGON Governor Kate 'Bootlicker' Brown DEMANDING "WACO" (and money) from the Feds
and
Nevada Tards want Cliven Arrested

 

[Schifference]

Costs could be near zero if they just ignored the occupation. Basically they spent a huge sum and have done nothing so far. Par use of government funds.