Ranchers vs BLM Oregon this time

[goldenequity]

Brandon Curtiss Update (Idaho III Percent Founder/PPN)



Harney County Sheriff Dept
(541) 573-6156

 

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Turning Down the Fear
A dialog (finally) with some Deputies begins around 18:00
No longer 'just' Santilli...
This is (now) another Live Streamer on site: Revolution Radio HERE

 

[goldenequity]

Judge Grasti held a 'Community Meeting'... it was WAY different than last week...
people are speaking out for Liberty... last week was just a hate mob... tonight was more like 50/50
plus (MANY would be supporters) i.e., some 400 locals were concurrently attending the KrisAnne Hall meeting tonight.
also...
Ammon Bundy showed up to the meeting. Was a silent 'target' for Grasti's bravado/blustering.
He remained silent.. left peacefully with III Percenter escorts/weaponless.
The word 'Constitution' was not ever mentioned nor discussed.



Next Community meeting is Monday night 7pm PST.

 

[jth_ttu]

Why has the gov not cut off utilities and supplies? I honestly don't think they would stay there very long if those two things were done. Makes me wonder if this isn't working in the governments favor

 

[pcosmar]

Why has the gov not cut off utilities and supplies? I honestly don't think they would stay there very long if those two things were done. Makes me wonder if this isn't working in the governments favor

What makes you think they need utilities?

 

[Weston White]

Why has the gov not cut off utilities and supplies? I honestly don't think they would stay there very long if those two things were done. Makes me wonder if this isn't working in the governments favor

Was pondering this as well… Seems that at best the federal government wants this to escalate into something much more serious, meanwhile biding their time. Why have they not cut power, closed the surrounding roads, sought court orders to intercept their mail, seize their donation funds, blocked their YouTube streams, shut down wireless communications, assembled multiple police lines and issued dispersal orders, etc?

 

[goldenequity]

Why has the gov not cut off utilities and supplies? I honestly don't think they would stay there very long if those two things were done. Makes me wonder if this isn't working in the governments favor

III Percenter security has made the 'difference' (imo)
plus daily Press briefings
plus livestream/transparency - public watchdogs...
No more 'free' Wacos. Lessons learned on both sides.

 

[goldenequity]

Tony DeMeo Knows How Thugs Work. (He's from Brooklyn )

The story starts here: Nye County, Nevada Meet Tony



►That was his legacy. Tony retired and transferred the command in January, 2015.
He continues to live in Nye County w/ his wife Linda.

 

[goldenequity]

A Reminder: WACO Now almost 23 years ago



History is not teaching us anything if we don't remind ourselves of it once in a while.

 

[pcosmar]

Was pondering this as well… Seems that at best the federal government wants this to escalate into something much more serious, meanwhile biding their time. Why have they not cut power, closed the surrounding roads, sought court orders to intercept their mail, seize their donation funds, blocked their YouTube streams, shut down wireless communications, assembled multiple police lines and issued dispersal orders, etc?

How would they do that without affecting the entire area and residents? (pissing off more people)

And what about the reverse effect of having it backfire?

And some,, asking these questions do not understand that most of the folks there are outdoors-men, Farmers,, Hunters, etc.
they have no problem with no utilities,, and many have survival means of their own.

It is an empty threat.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Mass OK's email this AM, making it unequivocal “Do Not Follow Orders to “Waco” Ammon Bundy Occupation, or Risk Civil War” plus a documentary on Waco. Linked and copied in full here:

https://www.oathkeepers.org/waco-a-new-revelation/

While the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is taking it on the chin in the western States the current occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon has prompted Oath Keepers Founder and President Stewart Rhodes to issue a cautionary warning which is going viral across America:

“Warning to U.S. Military and Federal LEOs: Do Not Follow Orders to “Waco” Ammon Bundy Occupation, or Risk Civil War”

Of particular interest to me is Stewart’s use of the name “Waco”.

On April 19 in 2016 the nation will reflect once again on Waco. The date will mark the twenty-third anniversary of one of the most cruel, insane, and even demonic actions ever perpetrated by the U.S. government upon its own citizens. It is not the only cruel and insane event done by government to the governed, but it is one of the most horrendous.



As an older man I recall seeing the burning of that church in Texas while at a restaurant in Georgia. The entire restaurant was glued to the TV screen in disbelief. All we had heard was that the church had been molesting little children and manufacturing illegal drugs. That, a sickened nation would later learn, was a pack of lies made up by the ATF and presented to the Pentagon in hopes of getting military aid in resolving the standoff which resulted from the botched raid on the church.

The church had been assaulted by the ATF in a very stupid raid to garner support for the ATF’s increased budget requests due before Congress, a fact we learned in retrospect from the Dallas Morning News. As it turns out, the ATF had notified the press that there would be a newsworthy event at Waco and the ATF actually requested media coverage. Why?

The ATF felt they needed something big in “the news” to push through their requested budget increases. So goes the logic of government agencies, because government agencies, as our nation’s Founders well knew, by their very nature become ruthless infrastructural mechanisms of self-perpetuation.



So Waco has become an undying testament to the inherent abusive nature of government. The recognition of that nature, by our Founders, has much to do with why there is a Bill of Rights attached to the Constitution. But the ATF could not care less about the original intent of the Founders. Nope! The ATF marches to the beat of its own drums, fully-well knowing that according to the Constitution the agency does not even have any legitimate authority to exist, much less the authority to murder scores of women and children in horrible fiery deaths over some alleged “gun violations”. My God! The document says “...shall not be infringed.” All the ATF does is infringe, and it cares not one whit about your or my unalienable rights or our Constitutional protections as American citizens. Nope. The ATF is hell-bent on tormenting anyone who would dare stand up for the fuller meaning of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

But while most readers here already know such truths, I would like to invite everyone to carefully view a movie which has been around for more than fifteen years. Those who have seen this film will learn yet more by watching it again, as I do each time I review it. Those who have not seen this owe it to themselves to inform themselves with the ghastly truth of the outright evil and domestic terror perpetrated by the ATF on a church full of good American citizens. The movie reveals the government’s feeble and vain attempts to cover-up the ATF’s sins in Congressional hearings.



Pay close attention to Charles Schumer’s wicked facial expressions.

After watching this film, allow oneself to reflect upon what is behind Mike Vanderboegh’s famous statement, “No more free Wacos”. Then one will more fully understand why Stewart Rhodes alluded to Waco in his open letter to the military and enforcement agents who are being pulled into a possible confrontation with American citizens at Burns, Oregon.



Salute!
Elias Alias, editor

 

[jth_ttu]

How would they do that without affecting the entire area and residents? (pissing off more people)

And what about the reverse effect of having it backfire?

And some,, asking these questions do not understand that most of the folks there are outdoors-men, Farmers,, Hunters, etc.
they have no problem with no utilities,, and many have survival means of their own.

outdoorsman or not if they set up a blockade around the facility and cut off power it would cripple them. It's the dead of winter. They have limited food, fuel, and water. Even if you find enough wood to burn on the property the buildings probably don't have stoves, so it's just camp fires. You could eat insects and Jack rabbits once your food ran out. They probably have a well but would have to pull the electric pump and rig up a manual method for their water. Morale would deteriorate fast. And yes utilities can be cut off to a single property without affecting other residents, they do it everyday

 

[GunnyFreedom]

outdoorsman or not if they set up a blockade around the facility and cut off power it would cripple them. It's the dead of winter. They have limited food, fuel, and water. Even if you find enough wood to burn on the property the buildings probably don't have stoves, so it's just camp fires. You could eat insects and Jack rabbits once your food ran out. They probably have a well but would have to pull the electric pump and rig up a manual method for their water. Morale would deteriorate fast. And yes utilities can be cut off to a single property without affecting other residents, they do it everyday

Army and Marine units can and do go for months in the field without such infrastructure. I don't know why you would think these guys are so much softer.

 

[pcosmar]

outdoorsman or not if they set up a blockade around the facility and cut off power it would cripple them. It's the dead of winter. They have limited food, fuel, and water. Even if you find enough wood to burn on the property the buildings probably don't have stoves, so it's just camp fires. You could eat insects and Jack rabbits once your food ran out. They probably have a well but would have to pull the electric pump and rig up a manual method for their water. Morale would deteriorate fast. And yes utilities can be cut off to a single property without affecting other residents, they do it everyday

Obviously you know nothing of basic survival.

Deer are plentiful,, and some of them own cattle.
eating insects indeed.

 

[jth_ttu]

Obviously you know nothing of basic survival.
Deer are plentiful,, and some of them own cattle.
eating insects indeed.

I backcountry elk hunt so I know a little about survival. If you're confined to a few acres and buildings it will be difficult to find game. And you're assuming theyre in an area that holds big game. I'm not saying survival there without utilities and fresh supplies is impossible, it's just going to be very extreme and hard to do for an extended period.

 

[pcosmar]

I backcountry elk hunt so I know a little about survival. If you're confined to a few acres and buildings it will be difficult to find game. And you're assuming theyre in an area that holds big game. I'm not saying survival there without utilities and fresh supplies is impossible, it's just going to be very extreme and hard to do for an extended period.

you know very little.

see post #733. for a view of the vastness of the area.

 

[jth_ttu]

you know very little.

see post #733. for a view of the vastness of the area.

You obviously didn't read all my posts. I said if the government cut utilities and imposed a blockade around the property. They wouldn't have an option to leave the buildings (maybe a few acres around them), they would be arrested or would be prevented from returning to the buildings if they left. The government could easily separate them from the vast hunting area you speak of. This is completely different than bundy ranch. They have voluntarily chosen to make their stand in a modern day Alamo. I see no way this ends good.

 

[pcosmar]

You obviously didn't read all my posts. I said if the government cut utilities and imposed a blockade around the property. They wouldn't have an option to leave the buildings (maybe a few acres around them), they would be arrested or would be prevented from returning to the buildings if they left. The government could easily separate them from the vast hunting area you speak of. This is completely different than bundy ranch. They have voluntarily chosen to make their stand in a modern day Alamo. I see no way this ends good.

No.. They could cut electricity.

and the Patriots would run on batteries and generators for any electrical needs.

I don't think you fully understand the situation,,
The Government is in no position to dictate anything.

the government has two options.

Concede or Assert Authority.
I hope for concession,, but have low expectations
I expect violence to come from the government (as usual)
then we see what happens.

 

[goldenequity]

If you've watched the latest Community Meeting video (post #743) and compare it
with the previous Community Meeting
(where Santilli tried/failed to engage on the 'Law of the Land/Constitution'
then got shouted down/removed by deputies)
you can begin to see PROGRESS
of people/liberty questioning/criticizing local leadership.

Visually you can easily see how local 'leadership' has 'circled the wagons'/sitting together
including Grasti/Sheriff with the Paiute female 'Chief' and a few Pastors thrown in to imitate 'solidarity'
on a 'don't rock the boat'... 'they need to go home'.... 'we'll straighten it out later'... 'we're all just family' political flattering.

Post #742 shows the gains on respect/friendliness of local leo deputies.

They're gaining ground.

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Video 1: Bundy/Finicum are resolute about never giving the buildings/resource center back to Federal control.
In that respect it IS 'the Alamo'. Lot's of information here if you can tolerate the film quality.

Video 2: is a GAUNTLET to the Paiute grassroots and their leader.
It clearly shows the DISRESPECT and neglect given to the Paiute people by the BLM.
'She' has NO CHOICE but to dialog and APPRECIATE the outreach
by jointly expressing 'outrage' at the discovery/disrespect.
This is a smart move by Finicum.

 

[goldenequity]

►AP: Oregon Governor calls on feds to act against armed group occupying wildlife refuge

SALEM, Ore. (AP) – Oregon’s governor expressed anger Wednesday over federal authorities’ handling of the occupation of a national wildlife refuge by an armed group and said she intends to bill the U.S. government for what the occupation is costing state taxpayers.
Gov. Kate Brown said federal officials “must move quickly to end the occupation and hold all of the wrongdoers accountable.”

“The residents of Harney County have been overlooked and underserved by federal officials’ response thus far. I have conveyed these very grave concerns directly to our leaders at the highest levels of our government: the U.S. Department of Justice and the White House,” she said at a news conference.
Exasperated by a tense situation that has caused fear among local residents since it began Jan. 2, Brown said, “This spectacle of lawlessness must end, and until Harney County is free of it, I will not stop insisting that federal officials enforce the law.”

She said the occupation has cost Oregon taxpayers nearly half a million dollars.

Pictures are worth a thousand words. ​